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Correspondence.

does it not follow that the consequence of their discovery and revelation must be momentous to mankind ? Tours fraternally , W . N . CRAWFORD .

"The Irish Church From A Masonic Point Of View."

"THE IRISH CHURCH FROM A MASONIC POINT OF VIEW . "

TO THE BDIIOB 01 mil FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC 31 IKKOB . Dear Sir and Brother , —Freemasonry to the rescue The House of Commons is going to perdition in uniting with the present Government in placing the established Church of Ireland in its " present awful crisis ! " Such is the spirit of an advertisement which appeared at the end of last week's Magazinecalling

, upon " every trite Mason " to pray for the protection of said Church . I think this , under the circumstances , is going a little too far ; it is about tantamount to requesting " every true Mason " to pray for the overthrow of the Government Bill , with which , as Freemasonswe have ( more especially under the

cir-, cumstances ) no right to interfere . However , as a Mason , I might pray that in this , as in all other Government schemes , the Great Architect of the Universe would cause all things to work for His glory and the good of the people . And , as a Protestant , as regards the Government Bill , I would say—with the

vitality exemplified by the free and united Presbyterian churches of Scotland , we need have no fear for our Protestant brethren in Ireland , if they do their duty , supposing the Church was both disestablished and disendowed to-morrow . The wailing appeal of last Saturday is a curious dernier ressort—a sort of preparatory tuning , perhaps , for the requiem . Tours fraternally , FIDES .

P.M.'S And The Working Brethren Of Lodges.

P . M . 'S AND THE WORKING BRETHREN OF LODGES .

TO THE IDITOE OF THE FREEMASON'S' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . Dear Sir and Brother , —A case has arisen of considerable importance to Past Master ' s and the active working brethren of lodges , which , with your kind permission , I wish to lay before the Craft through your columns , in the hope that any discussion on the subject which may take place will excite attention in

the Grand Lodge , and cause a definite settlement of a point now far from clear , and in regard to which there is some diversity of opinion among P . G . M . ' s , and , consequently , widely varying practice iu several provinces . Indeed , I have reason to know that doubt on the question has often been a cause of annoyance .

I beg to refer your readers to a report of the Pleiades Lodge meeting , held at Totaes , on February 25 th , which is contained in your number of March 13 th , on pages 214 aud 215 , iu which it is said that " the chair was taken b y Bro . Dr . Hopkins , P . M ., who opened the lodge in the first degree , " assisted b y the officers

. " A letter from Bro . G . Heath , W . M ., was read , explaining his inability to attend on account of urgent business , and requesting Bro . Dr . H . to perform his duties . " To my great surprise , on the day after this report appeared , I received a note from the R . W . the P . G . M . of Devon , calling my attention to Art . G . , under the head " Masters and Wardens , " p . 78 of the Book of Constitutions ( editiou 1867 ) , " by a perusal of which you will observe that the

P.M.'S And The Working Brethren Of Lodges.

LP M . must preside if present in the lodge , or ( in his absence ) some P . M . of the lodge . If I remember ri g htly , you are not a P . M . of the Pleiades Lodge , and could not therefore properly preside on such an occasion . " On reference to the law , it will be seen that the word used is not must , but shall .

To this note I replied , expressive of my doubt a 3 to the correctness of the interpretation of the law as given by the P . G . M ., pointing out that I had given the I . P . M . and officers an opportunity of asserting their claim to occupy the chair , of which they had not availed ' jthernselves , and that then being deputed

iu writing by the W . M . as his locv . m tenons , I felt that I was acting up to the spirit of the law in taking the chair . I added that , however the law may be interpreted , custom in all provinces sanctions the course I pursued , of which I gave frequent instances in the Pleiades Lodge itselfbut thatneverthelessI should

, , , obey his orders . In a reply to my letter , the P . G . M . still asserted the correctness of his view , and his decision that as a P . M . of other lodges but not having served as such in the Pleiades Lodge , I have no right to occupy the chair of W . M . under any circumstancesthough I

, may assist with the ceremonials , lectures , & c , standing out of the chair , thus depriving them , as I think , of much of their dignity and impressiveness . I have since taken some trouble to ascertain the

opinions of several Masons of eminence on this point , viz ., the D . P . G . Masters of Oxfordshire and Leicestershire , the Grand Registrar of England , the Editor of the Magazine , Bro . Hughan of Truro . Bros . Bird and Chappel , P . M . ' s of 954-, Bro . Lidstone , P . M . of 797 , the Rev . Bro . Powning , P . G . Chap . & P . M .

710 . Moreover , the W . M . of 710 has obtained the written opinions of the I . P . M . of 1 I 3 S and of the two P . M . ' s of 710 . I think without exception all agree with me that custom and practice sanction a liberal interpretation of the law , in the li ght in which I regard it : As to the abstract interpretation of the law , there

are varieties of opinion , but all think that the Grand Lodge should interfere to place the quest-ion beyond a doubt , by making the verbiage more explicit , and giving a rendering in accordance with usage . Such a change has been made , somewhat similar in character , in Art . 2 , under the head " D . Prov . G . Master "

, where , in the edition of 1863 , the word used is " presides , " changed in the edition of 1 S 67 into "may preside . " Some such sli ght alterations in the case before us would remove the difficulty . It would hardly be ri ght to send you for publication copies of all the communications I have received

on this subject . I may , however , send you my own opinion in a complete form , which will probably open a discussion , and have a tendency to procure a decision of the question in Grand Lodge . It is as follows : —

My opinion is , that the W . M . is responsible for the propriety of all proceedings in the lodge over which he has been installed ; that , in case of unavoidable absence , it is his business to make proper provision for the performance of . his duties ; and that thus he is still responsible for all acts done just as if he were present ; that his choice should be restricted to one of the P . M . ' s who are members of the lodge , wherever they may have served as W . M . ; that whoever may have such a position delegated to him by the W . M .

“The Freemasons' Monthly Magazine: 1869-04-03, Page 10” Masonic Periodicals Online, Library and Museum of Freemasonry, 31 March 2023, www.masonicperiodicals.org/periodicals/mmr/issues/mmr_03041869/page/10/.
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EARS OF WHEAT FROM A CORNUCOPIA. Article 1
MASONIC CELESTIAL MYSTERIES. Article 3
FREEMASONRY AND CHRISTIANITY. Article 6
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 7
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 9
"THE IRISH CHURCH FROM A MASONIC POINT OF VIEW." Article 10
P.M.'S AND THE WORKING BRETHREN OF LODGES. Article 10
MASONIC ARCHÆOLOGY . — BRITISH MUSEUM. Article 11
Untitled Article 12
MASONIC MEMS. Article 12
MASONIC ARCHÆOLOG ICAL INSTITUTE. Article 13
METROPOLITAN. Article 15
PROVINCIAL. Article 16
SCOTLAND. Article 18
ROYAL ARCH. Article 18
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 19
DEDICATION OF THE METHAM MASONIC HALL AT PLYMOUTH. Article 19
MASONIC LIFEBOAT FUND. Article 19
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 19
MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED SOCIETIES. Article 19
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Correspondence.

does it not follow that the consequence of their discovery and revelation must be momentous to mankind ? Tours fraternally , W . N . CRAWFORD .

"The Irish Church From A Masonic Point Of View."

"THE IRISH CHURCH FROM A MASONIC POINT OF VIEW . "

TO THE BDIIOB 01 mil FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC 31 IKKOB . Dear Sir and Brother , —Freemasonry to the rescue The House of Commons is going to perdition in uniting with the present Government in placing the established Church of Ireland in its " present awful crisis ! " Such is the spirit of an advertisement which appeared at the end of last week's Magazinecalling

, upon " every trite Mason " to pray for the protection of said Church . I think this , under the circumstances , is going a little too far ; it is about tantamount to requesting " every true Mason " to pray for the overthrow of the Government Bill , with which , as Freemasonswe have ( more especially under the

cir-, cumstances ) no right to interfere . However , as a Mason , I might pray that in this , as in all other Government schemes , the Great Architect of the Universe would cause all things to work for His glory and the good of the people . And , as a Protestant , as regards the Government Bill , I would say—with the

vitality exemplified by the free and united Presbyterian churches of Scotland , we need have no fear for our Protestant brethren in Ireland , if they do their duty , supposing the Church was both disestablished and disendowed to-morrow . The wailing appeal of last Saturday is a curious dernier ressort—a sort of preparatory tuning , perhaps , for the requiem . Tours fraternally , FIDES .

P.M.'S And The Working Brethren Of Lodges.

P . M . 'S AND THE WORKING BRETHREN OF LODGES .

TO THE IDITOE OF THE FREEMASON'S' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . Dear Sir and Brother , —A case has arisen of considerable importance to Past Master ' s and the active working brethren of lodges , which , with your kind permission , I wish to lay before the Craft through your columns , in the hope that any discussion on the subject which may take place will excite attention in

the Grand Lodge , and cause a definite settlement of a point now far from clear , and in regard to which there is some diversity of opinion among P . G . M . ' s , and , consequently , widely varying practice iu several provinces . Indeed , I have reason to know that doubt on the question has often been a cause of annoyance .

I beg to refer your readers to a report of the Pleiades Lodge meeting , held at Totaes , on February 25 th , which is contained in your number of March 13 th , on pages 214 aud 215 , iu which it is said that " the chair was taken b y Bro . Dr . Hopkins , P . M ., who opened the lodge in the first degree , " assisted b y the officers

. " A letter from Bro . G . Heath , W . M ., was read , explaining his inability to attend on account of urgent business , and requesting Bro . Dr . H . to perform his duties . " To my great surprise , on the day after this report appeared , I received a note from the R . W . the P . G . M . of Devon , calling my attention to Art . G . , under the head " Masters and Wardens , " p . 78 of the Book of Constitutions ( editiou 1867 ) , " by a perusal of which you will observe that the

P.M.'S And The Working Brethren Of Lodges.

LP M . must preside if present in the lodge , or ( in his absence ) some P . M . of the lodge . If I remember ri g htly , you are not a P . M . of the Pleiades Lodge , and could not therefore properly preside on such an occasion . " On reference to the law , it will be seen that the word used is not must , but shall .

To this note I replied , expressive of my doubt a 3 to the correctness of the interpretation of the law as given by the P . G . M ., pointing out that I had given the I . P . M . and officers an opportunity of asserting their claim to occupy the chair , of which they had not availed ' jthernselves , and that then being deputed

iu writing by the W . M . as his locv . m tenons , I felt that I was acting up to the spirit of the law in taking the chair . I added that , however the law may be interpreted , custom in all provinces sanctions the course I pursued , of which I gave frequent instances in the Pleiades Lodge itselfbut thatneverthelessI should

, , , obey his orders . In a reply to my letter , the P . G . M . still asserted the correctness of his view , and his decision that as a P . M . of other lodges but not having served as such in the Pleiades Lodge , I have no right to occupy the chair of W . M . under any circumstancesthough I

, may assist with the ceremonials , lectures , & c , standing out of the chair , thus depriving them , as I think , of much of their dignity and impressiveness . I have since taken some trouble to ascertain the

opinions of several Masons of eminence on this point , viz ., the D . P . G . Masters of Oxfordshire and Leicestershire , the Grand Registrar of England , the Editor of the Magazine , Bro . Hughan of Truro . Bros . Bird and Chappel , P . M . ' s of 954-, Bro . Lidstone , P . M . of 797 , the Rev . Bro . Powning , P . G . Chap . & P . M .

710 . Moreover , the W . M . of 710 has obtained the written opinions of the I . P . M . of 1 I 3 S and of the two P . M . ' s of 710 . I think without exception all agree with me that custom and practice sanction a liberal interpretation of the law , in the li ght in which I regard it : As to the abstract interpretation of the law , there

are varieties of opinion , but all think that the Grand Lodge should interfere to place the quest-ion beyond a doubt , by making the verbiage more explicit , and giving a rendering in accordance with usage . Such a change has been made , somewhat similar in character , in Art . 2 , under the head " D . Prov . G . Master "

, where , in the edition of 1863 , the word used is " presides , " changed in the edition of 1 S 67 into "may preside . " Some such sli ght alterations in the case before us would remove the difficulty . It would hardly be ri ght to send you for publication copies of all the communications I have received

on this subject . I may , however , send you my own opinion in a complete form , which will probably open a discussion , and have a tendency to procure a decision of the question in Grand Lodge . It is as follows : —

My opinion is , that the W . M . is responsible for the propriety of all proceedings in the lodge over which he has been installed ; that , in case of unavoidable absence , it is his business to make proper provision for the performance of . his duties ; and that thus he is still responsible for all acts done just as if he were present ; that his choice should be restricted to one of the P . M . ' s who are members of the lodge , wherever they may have served as W . M . ; that whoever may have such a position delegated to him by the W . M .

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