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for all fche offices of Grand Lodge . They did not want a suite of rooms for the Grand Tyler , robing rooms for the Grand Officers , and robing rooms for other officers , and believed that fche plan as contained in the report involved a large and needless expenditure . Bro . S AVAGE , P . G . D ., rose to order . He wanted to understand AA-hether they AA-ere entering upon the discussion that night , how far they AA-ere to go , and Avhere they were to leave
off for the special Grand Lodge ? The GEAND MASTEE thought it would be better to alloAv Bro . Lloyd to proceed . Bro . LLOATD resumed , and said the Grand Lodge had no power fco grant building leases . That subject had been considered years ' ago , and a committee had come to the resolution that they had no poiver to grant such leases . No person would be foolish enough to accept their leases Avhen the power of granting them was so very doubtful , and they could get no one to purchase the property in ivhich they had invested their money .
Bro . GIEAUD seconded the amendment , believing the question to bo one of the greatest importance . HOAV Avas it possible that they could dispose of their property , AA'hen they had got a Board of General Purposes , ivhich ivas a constantly-changing body . He ivas in fa-A-our of the appointment of a committee of seven members to consider the subject , and to report to the next Grand Lodge as to the best course to be adopted . Ho knciv the practical difficulty Avhich great numbers had in doing AA-hat a feAv Avould do very well , and if they got seven respectable men ( laughter)—he did not mean to insinuate
that any of the bretnren were not respectable ( laughter)—but if they got sei-cn good Masons , ivho kneiv Avhat the Craft required , ivith talent to deal with the question , and report to the next Grand Lodge , that would he the best tribunal ro which they could refer this question .
Bro . HOPWOOD said there ivould be a great difficulty in carrying out the A-iews of the . Board of General Purposes , for he could not understand how they could grant leases or deal Avith the Grand Lodge property . They were not vested ivith the poiver to do so ; they were not a chartered body , and they ivere only represented by trustees , to whom coiiA-eyanees ivere made for certain purposes , and when they died off , others were nominated . The report required a large amount of earnest consideration , and this matter ought to be vested in persons and individuals able judge of it , and given an opinion which should be a guide to the general body .
Bro . METJIOTT asked the Grand Lodge seriously to consider , AA-hether they Avould be justified in adopting the report , or whether they ought to adopt the amendment of Bro . Herbert Lloyd , that the subject be referred to a committee , especially as tho report was not the unanimous report of the Board of General Purposes . He should support the amendment of Bro . Lloyd , because he proposed the only proper tribunal tha tcould deal AA'ith the subject . As the Board of General Purposes , ivas a continually charging body , if the report ivas sent back to them the matter might drag its SIOAV length along for another
12 months , and nothing ivould bo done , and on thafc ground he said that the committee ivas a better tribunal to deal ivith it than the Board of General Purposes . There AA-ere other serious questions , such as , law and finances , ivhich they must bear in mind ; and there should he in thc committee , brethren who ivould seriously attend to the important duties which would devolve upon that committee , ivhich ivould bo a far more competent body than the Board of General Purposes to deal witli the matter which had been elected that night .
Bro . SAKGOOD opposed the amendment but said that as thei- had got a report _ from the Board of General Purposes , and the AA'hole question was in their own hands they should discuss it . He did not wish to see it sont back to ' any other tribunal . They had it in their grasp and the sooner they set to ivork and dealt AA'ith it the bettor it would be for the Craft .
The GEAND MASTEE said he was desirous of gii'ing his own opinion at that moment , and especially so as he thought it might shorten the discussion . He ivas sorry to say that on reference to tlie Boole of Constitutions at page 107 , he found he could not put tlie amendment of Herbert Lloyd . ( The Grand Master here read the laiv which ive haA'e given in another part of thc Magazine . ) That law prevented him from putting the notion of Bro . Herbert Lloyd as it took the matter out of the hands of the Board of General Purposes and in into the hands of
put a committee . He ivas of opinion with Bro . Herbert Lloyd that it woidd be desirable that the alterations of their buildings should he put into the hands of the committee instead of the Board of" General Purposes , but to do so they must first alter the laws . Therefore he proposed to call a special Grand Lodge for the 16 th of July , and at the same time he ivould take care that proper notice were given to enable the Board of General to appoint Committee to into effect the
Purposes a cam- decision of Grand Loelge . If they agreed to that " alteration of the laiA-, the quarterly connnmimicatlon in September might confirm that alteration , and they could set to Avork immediately after . If Grand Lodge agreed with him , he would take care to act in accordance with the law , and not in contradiction of it . He had mentioned the
Grand Lodge.
16 th of July , as being a day about half-ivay between this and the next Grand Lodge , but he could not then positii'ely fix it . He Avould , however , in the meantime take ' care to give notice , so as best to consult the convenience of brethren ; It would bo in the week oithcibefore or after the 16 th of July . BEO . SAEGOOD suggested that they should meet at an earlier hour than 8 o ' clock . The GEAND MASTEE said he would consider that . He miht
sayg it was desirable that great care should be exercised in the selection of the Committee , and if they were seven they should take care to have practical men upon it , whose minds were not biaassed by personal feeling , but would enter fairly and impartially into the consideration of the report of the Board of General Purposes . BEO . GEEEN . —Will the special Grand Lodge take into consideration the alteration of the Booli of Constitutions .
The GEAND MASTEE said he ivould give notice to take into consideration the alteration of the Boole of Constitutions , in addition to the report of the Board of General Purposes . Tlie GEAND REGISTEAE having made a communication to his lordship , The GEAND MASTEE said he wished to make one correction in what he had stated . His attention had been called by the Grand Registrar to the Boole of Constitutions , and he found by reference to
page 22 , that at a edge of emergency they could not make any alteration in the laivs of the Order . Therefore that rule precluded liim . or any other brother from proposing an alteration in the law at anymeeting of emergency of the Grand Lodge . Bro . HAVEKS said he had listened most attentively to his lordship ' s ruling , and having taken some pains to study the Book of Constitutions , he ivas totally at variance ivitli the Grand Registrar in the advice which he had iven to his lordshias he did not find it to be
g p , the true interpretation of the Boole of Constitutions . He knew it was the laiv they must give notice to the Board of Masters of any business to be discussed at their regular meetings . At the late special Grand Lodge , however , no such notice was given to vote an address of condolence to her Majesty , anil if the Grand Registrar ' s ruling was correct , that vote was illegal , as notice of it had not been given to the Board of Masters . That , however , was a subject which did not press at the present
moment , and might be determined at his lordship's leisure . Before he sat doAvn he Avished to say that he had observed Avith great pain the strong- feeling expressed hy brethren in discussing questions upon AA'hich there ought to bo none . They ought to take up subjects and deal ivith them as intelligent Masons , and not alloiv their judgment to be warped ; and at thc next meeting of Grand Lodge he hoped they would hear every individual who had a plan to submit , so that they might adopt that one which wasthe most practicable , the most feasible , and the least expensive .
Having been President of tho Board of General Purposes he said that if that body should not be considered the best qualified to carry this object into effect , and that it could be better entrusted to a committee , then he expressed a hope that they ivould not place on that committee those who were ivedded to a particular scheme ; that they ivould not put on that committee those who by thoughtless extravagance lA-ould spend a large sum of money AA'hich ought to remain in their own hands for the purposes of charit . He must also take occasion to that he thought some
y say of the brethren had rather unwisely set forth that it was not in their power to sell or lease their own property . Now he AA-as not a lawyer , but a man of plain common , sense , and when he knew that they had leased and sold land , not to an individual but to a public body , Avho had erected a building on it , it ivas absurd to say that no ono AA-ould buy of them . They had sold land to the Weslcyan body upon ivhich they had erected their schools , and he had no reason to doubt but that they were perfectly
satisfied with their title . As regarded the reference of this subject to a committee it was impossible that they could have seven men who would all take the same views , and each one must be prepared to give and take upon it . He thought it would be unfair to the Board of General Purposes , who had worked so hard if Grand Lodge refused to receive the plans they had prepared , and he trusted that they would receive them at their next meeting . He ivould say not the plans of the Board of General Purposes only , hut of any other brother
, so that by sifting them at their next meeting they ivould determine ivhat ivas good and what Avas bad and enable them to come to a satisfactory conclusion . He Avished before he sat doAvn , although he knew that he was treading on dangerous ground , to refer to ivhat had taken place that evening . In the heat of the moment they might bo led to use hasty words , but AA'ithout Availing for ivhich should be first , let every one withdraiv them before they parted and then they ivould meet at their next meeting as better friends .
Bro . ROXEUEGH wished to draw the attention of Grand Lodge to the Boole of Constitutions ; which required that there should be no alteration of a law without a notice of motion had been given to a Board of Masters , and he submitted that the Grand Master had no more poiver to propose an alteration of the laiv than any other member of Grand Lodge .
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Grand Lodge.
for all fche offices of Grand Lodge . They did not want a suite of rooms for the Grand Tyler , robing rooms for the Grand Officers , and robing rooms for other officers , and believed that fche plan as contained in the report involved a large and needless expenditure . Bro . S AVAGE , P . G . D ., rose to order . He wanted to understand AA-hether they AA-ere entering upon the discussion that night , how far they AA-ere to go , and Avhere they were to leave
off for the special Grand Lodge ? The GEAND MASTEE thought it would be better to alloAv Bro . Lloyd to proceed . Bro . LLOATD resumed , and said the Grand Lodge had no power fco grant building leases . That subject had been considered years ' ago , and a committee had come to the resolution that they had no poiver to grant such leases . No person would be foolish enough to accept their leases Avhen the power of granting them was so very doubtful , and they could get no one to purchase the property in ivhich they had invested their money .
Bro . GIEAUD seconded the amendment , believing the question to bo one of the greatest importance . HOAV Avas it possible that they could dispose of their property , AA'hen they had got a Board of General Purposes , ivhich ivas a constantly-changing body . He ivas in fa-A-our of the appointment of a committee of seven members to consider the subject , and to report to the next Grand Lodge as to the best course to be adopted . Ho knciv the practical difficulty Avhich great numbers had in doing AA-hat a feAv Avould do very well , and if they got seven respectable men ( laughter)—he did not mean to insinuate
that any of the bretnren were not respectable ( laughter)—but if they got sei-cn good Masons , ivho kneiv Avhat the Craft required , ivith talent to deal with the question , and report to the next Grand Lodge , that would he the best tribunal ro which they could refer this question .
Bro . HOPWOOD said there ivould be a great difficulty in carrying out the A-iews of the . Board of General Purposes , for he could not understand how they could grant leases or deal Avith the Grand Lodge property . They were not vested ivith the poiver to do so ; they were not a chartered body , and they ivere only represented by trustees , to whom coiiA-eyanees ivere made for certain purposes , and when they died off , others were nominated . The report required a large amount of earnest consideration , and this matter ought to be vested in persons and individuals able judge of it , and given an opinion which should be a guide to the general body .
Bro . METJIOTT asked the Grand Lodge seriously to consider , AA-hether they Avould be justified in adopting the report , or whether they ought to adopt the amendment of Bro . Herbert Lloyd , that the subject be referred to a committee , especially as tho report was not the unanimous report of the Board of General Purposes . He should support the amendment of Bro . Lloyd , because he proposed the only proper tribunal tha tcould deal AA'ith the subject . As the Board of General Purposes , ivas a continually charging body , if the report ivas sent back to them the matter might drag its SIOAV length along for another
12 months , and nothing ivould bo done , and on thafc ground he said that the committee ivas a better tribunal to deal ivith it than the Board of General Purposes . There AA-ere other serious questions , such as , law and finances , ivhich they must bear in mind ; and there should he in thc committee , brethren who ivould seriously attend to the important duties which would devolve upon that committee , ivhich ivould bo a far more competent body than the Board of General Purposes to deal witli the matter which had been elected that night .
Bro . SAKGOOD opposed the amendment but said that as thei- had got a report _ from the Board of General Purposes , and the AA'hole question was in their own hands they should discuss it . He did not wish to see it sont back to ' any other tribunal . They had it in their grasp and the sooner they set to ivork and dealt AA'ith it the bettor it would be for the Craft .
The GEAND MASTEE said he was desirous of gii'ing his own opinion at that moment , and especially so as he thought it might shorten the discussion . He ivas sorry to say that on reference to tlie Boole of Constitutions at page 107 , he found he could not put tlie amendment of Herbert Lloyd . ( The Grand Master here read the laiv which ive haA'e given in another part of thc Magazine . ) That law prevented him from putting the notion of Bro . Herbert Lloyd as it took the matter out of the hands of the Board of General Purposes and in into the hands of
put a committee . He ivas of opinion with Bro . Herbert Lloyd that it woidd be desirable that the alterations of their buildings should he put into the hands of the committee instead of the Board of" General Purposes , but to do so they must first alter the laws . Therefore he proposed to call a special Grand Lodge for the 16 th of July , and at the same time he ivould take care that proper notice were given to enable the Board of General to appoint Committee to into effect the
Purposes a cam- decision of Grand Loelge . If they agreed to that " alteration of the laiA-, the quarterly connnmimicatlon in September might confirm that alteration , and they could set to Avork immediately after . If Grand Lodge agreed with him , he would take care to act in accordance with the law , and not in contradiction of it . He had mentioned the
Grand Lodge.
16 th of July , as being a day about half-ivay between this and the next Grand Lodge , but he could not then positii'ely fix it . He Avould , however , in the meantime take ' care to give notice , so as best to consult the convenience of brethren ; It would bo in the week oithcibefore or after the 16 th of July . BEO . SAEGOOD suggested that they should meet at an earlier hour than 8 o ' clock . The GEAND MASTEE said he would consider that . He miht
sayg it was desirable that great care should be exercised in the selection of the Committee , and if they were seven they should take care to have practical men upon it , whose minds were not biaassed by personal feeling , but would enter fairly and impartially into the consideration of the report of the Board of General Purposes . BEO . GEEEN . —Will the special Grand Lodge take into consideration the alteration of the Booli of Constitutions .
The GEAND MASTEE said he ivould give notice to take into consideration the alteration of the Boole of Constitutions , in addition to the report of the Board of General Purposes . Tlie GEAND REGISTEAE having made a communication to his lordship , The GEAND MASTEE said he wished to make one correction in what he had stated . His attention had been called by the Grand Registrar to the Boole of Constitutions , and he found by reference to
page 22 , that at a edge of emergency they could not make any alteration in the laivs of the Order . Therefore that rule precluded liim . or any other brother from proposing an alteration in the law at anymeeting of emergency of the Grand Lodge . Bro . HAVEKS said he had listened most attentively to his lordship ' s ruling , and having taken some pains to study the Book of Constitutions , he ivas totally at variance ivitli the Grand Registrar in the advice which he had iven to his lordshias he did not find it to be
g p , the true interpretation of the Boole of Constitutions . He knew it was the laiv they must give notice to the Board of Masters of any business to be discussed at their regular meetings . At the late special Grand Lodge , however , no such notice was given to vote an address of condolence to her Majesty , anil if the Grand Registrar ' s ruling was correct , that vote was illegal , as notice of it had not been given to the Board of Masters . That , however , was a subject which did not press at the present
moment , and might be determined at his lordship's leisure . Before he sat doAvn he Avished to say that he had observed Avith great pain the strong- feeling expressed hy brethren in discussing questions upon AA'hich there ought to bo none . They ought to take up subjects and deal ivith them as intelligent Masons , and not alloiv their judgment to be warped ; and at thc next meeting of Grand Lodge he hoped they would hear every individual who had a plan to submit , so that they might adopt that one which wasthe most practicable , the most feasible , and the least expensive .
Having been President of tho Board of General Purposes he said that if that body should not be considered the best qualified to carry this object into effect , and that it could be better entrusted to a committee , then he expressed a hope that they ivould not place on that committee those who were ivedded to a particular scheme ; that they ivould not put on that committee those who by thoughtless extravagance lA-ould spend a large sum of money AA'hich ought to remain in their own hands for the purposes of charit . He must also take occasion to that he thought some
y say of the brethren had rather unwisely set forth that it was not in their power to sell or lease their own property . Now he AA-as not a lawyer , but a man of plain common , sense , and when he knew that they had leased and sold land , not to an individual but to a public body , Avho had erected a building on it , it ivas absurd to say that no ono AA-ould buy of them . They had sold land to the Weslcyan body upon ivhich they had erected their schools , and he had no reason to doubt but that they were perfectly
satisfied with their title . As regarded the reference of this subject to a committee it was impossible that they could have seven men who would all take the same views , and each one must be prepared to give and take upon it . He thought it would be unfair to the Board of General Purposes , who had worked so hard if Grand Lodge refused to receive the plans they had prepared , and he trusted that they would receive them at their next meeting . He ivould say not the plans of the Board of General Purposes only , hut of any other brother
, so that by sifting them at their next meeting they ivould determine ivhat ivas good and what Avas bad and enable them to come to a satisfactory conclusion . He Avished before he sat doAvn , although he knew that he was treading on dangerous ground , to refer to ivhat had taken place that evening . In the heat of the moment they might bo led to use hasty words , but AA'ithout Availing for ivhich should be first , let every one withdraiv them before they parted and then they ivould meet at their next meeting as better friends .
Bro . ROXEUEGH wished to draw the attention of Grand Lodge to the Boole of Constitutions ; which required that there should be no alteration of a law without a notice of motion had been given to a Board of Masters , and he submitted that the Grand Master had no more poiver to propose an alteration of the laiv than any other member of Grand Lodge .