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The Masonic Mirror.

of £ 15 shall be made in such salary until the sum of £ 600 is reached , AA'hich shall be the maximum salary . " It had been considered that the minimum salary of tho Grand Secretary should not be less than £ 450 per annum , tho Board believing that sum would not bo too much for a very responsible office .

The motion having been seconded , Bro . HENRY G . Warden , rose to move as an amendment that there should be no mini . mum salary , but that on appointment tho Grand Secretary should receive a salary of £ 600 per annum , which would only be an adequate amount for a gentleman of liberal education and in the prime of lifo . Were such a sum given no gentleman

Avould hesitate to give up any other employment , and devote himself entirely to the duties of his office . Ho should move that the salary of the Grand Secretary be £ 600 for the present , us well as for tho future . Bro . WYNNE , P . M ., Y-. u-boro' Lodge , seconded the amendment . Bro . HAA'ERS , P . G . Warden , suggested that this amendment

could not be put , as no notice of it had been given . Bro . WARREN said as the business paper was only put into their hands on entering the room , it ivas impossible for them to know Avhat was going on , and therefore no notice of an amendment could possibly be given . Bro . SYMONDS said he agreed with Bro . Warren that it was

objectionable that thoy had no notice of what was coining on , but at the same time they should be careful how they increased grants of money unless notice of such increase had previously been given . Were that to bo allowed , a brother who was absent might say that had he been aware that such an increase was about to be made , he should have been in his place to oppose it . He would suggest , however , to Bro . Warren that it was competent for him to move that that part of the report should

be referred back to the committee for further consideration . Bro . HAVERS , P . G . W ., said he agreed with Bro . Warren that ifc ivas a great grievance that the members of Grand Lodge had no notice of what was about to be proposed , or could they give notice of an amendment unless it Avas submitted to the Board of Masters , and some years ago ho proposed a

resolution to meet this very objection , but Grand Lodge rejected it . Bro . WATCREN said if he ivas precluded by these rules from moving bis amendment , at tho next Grand Lodge he would propose a rule to meet the difficulty . The D . G . MASTER said this Avas not simply moving an amendment Avithout notice , but ifc was for the increase of a

grant money ; therefore the rule did not apply to any other question but to a grant for money . Any other amendment could be put and discussed by the Grand Lodge . Bro . Colonel LOAVEX COLE , P . G . W ., said he looked upon this merely as an arrangement for the future , and not that their present G . Sec . should be paid £ 600 per annum . As it was

niez-ely an arrangement as regarded the salary of a future G . Sec , he hardly thought the amendment came into the category of a grant of money . Bi-o . JOSEPH SHARP , D . C . L ., looked upon it as a defect that the brethren had no opportunity of giving notice of an amendment on anything that Avas to be brought before them at

Grand Lodge , and that appeared to him to be a great mistake . As to the objection of Bro . Warren , ho thought it Avould be better to send the question back to the Committee of General Purposes for them to consider the mode in which justice could be done ; for it Avas admitted by all the brethren that the . present system contained a certain amount of evil .

It was then moved and seconded , as an amendment , that the report be referred back to the Board of General Purposes . Bro . HOPWOOD , P . G . D ., said he entertained a strong opinion

that when a man was in the prime of life lie Avas the man the most fitted for the discharge of his duties , and he could then fulfil them ivith the largest amount of satisfaction , and he ought to be fully and fairly remunerated without regard to future service . When ho was entitled to further remuneration that ought to be considered , but ifc ought not to be held out as an inducement for a man to obtain an increased salary

for a man to keep in an office when he became effete and was worn out . He looked upon it as bad policy to offer rewards for a continuance in office Avhen a man ivas unfitted for his duties , merely for the sake of obtaining an increase iu his salary . Ho hoped that this question Avould be considered fairly , and that they Avould have an opportunity of properly considering

it in Grand Lodge . Bro . HAA ' ERS said he could not take the same view of this question as had been taken by Bi-o . Hopwood , and he Avould ask whether ifc Avas not the rule in all public establishments that a man should get an increased salary for long service . He agreed with Bro . Sharp and also Avith Bro . Warren that

these were difficulties the members laboured under in respect of notice of motion , for they Avere in this position that they could not bring anything before the Grand Lodge unless it had previouly been submitted to a Board of Masters . He agreed Avith them as to the difficulty , but he did not agree that there had been any wrong doing on the part of the Board of General

Purposes as the rule was made by the brethren themselves-Even if it was a bad law , as they had themselves made ifc , they must obey it as ifc was no act of the executive . Ten years ago he ( Bi-o . Havers ) proposed a resolution to avoid this evil in Grand Lodge , but they rejected ifc . When they got a proper man to perform the duties of Grand Secretary at onco for £ 450 , Avith a prospect of succeeding to the larger sum of

£ 600 , ho believed ifc would be an inducement to him . to work , and an earnest that he ivill be remunerated in a proper manner , They might get a man Avho might turn out to be unable to perform the duties of Grand Secretary aud quite unfit for them , and if they were to give him £ 600 at the commencement he might turn out not to be worth 600 pence , and they would not

then like to turn him off and get rid of him . Therefore , under all the circumstances , he thought it better that there should bo a progressive increase of salary . Bro . MtfEi'ON thought by the scale proposed ifc Avould take too many years to arrive at the maximum salary . A Brother thought that £ 600 a year Avas an inadequate salary

for a gentlemen to perform such important duties as those of Grand Secretary , and be hoped an advance of 50 guineas a year for three years would be adopted . Bro . TOMKINS , G . Treas ., Avas of opinion that the snbjeet Avas worthy of consideration , but could be better discussed in a small body who could talk the matter over . He thought it quite

impossible to settle tho salary in a body where there might be 500 different opinions . Bro . VICTOB , WILLIAMSON , P . G . W ., wished to correct au impression that the Grand Lodge ivas not paying liberally when they proposed to make an increase of £ 15 in the second year , of the Grand Secretary's salary . When lie looked at the

salaries paid in tlie ' government offices—and he believed their worthy brother , the Deputy Grand Master , would correct him if ho Avas wrong , —the advance of salary there was only £ 10 , and they all knew ivhat competition there AVUS amongst the highest and best educated in the land to obtain these government appointments . Again , amongst members of the bar , they know Avhat competition there Avas for offices of small salary and considerably less than £ 400 a year . Therefore , he did not see ivhy Grand Lodge should pay higher prices than

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RECOLLECTIONS OF THE LODGE OF FREEMASONS AT THORNHILL. Article 1
LODGE OFFICERS, THEIR POWERS AND DUTIES. Article 3
MONITA SECRETA SOCIETATIS JESU. Article 6
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 7
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 8
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 9
PROVINCIAL. Article 14
ROYAL ARCH. Article 16
RED CROSS KNIGHTS. Article 16
MEETINGS OF THE SCIENTIFIC AND LEARNED SOCIETIES FOR THE WEEK ENDING JUNE 16TH, 1866. Article 17
THE WEEK. Article 17
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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The Masonic Mirror.

of £ 15 shall be made in such salary until the sum of £ 600 is reached , AA'hich shall be the maximum salary . " It had been considered that the minimum salary of tho Grand Secretary should not be less than £ 450 per annum , tho Board believing that sum would not bo too much for a very responsible office .

The motion having been seconded , Bro . HENRY G . Warden , rose to move as an amendment that there should be no mini . mum salary , but that on appointment tho Grand Secretary should receive a salary of £ 600 per annum , which would only be an adequate amount for a gentleman of liberal education and in the prime of lifo . Were such a sum given no gentleman

Avould hesitate to give up any other employment , and devote himself entirely to the duties of his office . Ho should move that the salary of the Grand Secretary be £ 600 for the present , us well as for tho future . Bro . WYNNE , P . M ., Y-. u-boro' Lodge , seconded the amendment . Bro . HAA'ERS , P . G . Warden , suggested that this amendment

could not be put , as no notice of it had been given . Bro . WARREN said as the business paper was only put into their hands on entering the room , it ivas impossible for them to know Avhat was going on , and therefore no notice of an amendment could possibly be given . Bro . SYMONDS said he agreed with Bro . Warren that it was

objectionable that thoy had no notice of what was coining on , but at the same time they should be careful how they increased grants of money unless notice of such increase had previously been given . Were that to bo allowed , a brother who was absent might say that had he been aware that such an increase was about to be made , he should have been in his place to oppose it . He would suggest , however , to Bro . Warren that it was competent for him to move that that part of the report should

be referred back to the committee for further consideration . Bro . HAVERS , P . G . W ., said he agreed with Bro . Warren that ifc ivas a great grievance that the members of Grand Lodge had no notice of what was about to be proposed , or could they give notice of an amendment unless it Avas submitted to the Board of Masters , and some years ago ho proposed a

resolution to meet this very objection , but Grand Lodge rejected it . Bro . WATCREN said if he ivas precluded by these rules from moving bis amendment , at tho next Grand Lodge he would propose a rule to meet the difficulty . The D . G . MASTER said this Avas not simply moving an amendment Avithout notice , but ifc was for the increase of a

grant money ; therefore the rule did not apply to any other question but to a grant for money . Any other amendment could be put and discussed by the Grand Lodge . Bro . Colonel LOAVEX COLE , P . G . W ., said he looked upon this merely as an arrangement for the future , and not that their present G . Sec . should be paid £ 600 per annum . As it was

niez-ely an arrangement as regarded the salary of a future G . Sec , he hardly thought the amendment came into the category of a grant of money . Bi-o . JOSEPH SHARP , D . C . L ., looked upon it as a defect that the brethren had no opportunity of giving notice of an amendment on anything that Avas to be brought before them at

Grand Lodge , and that appeared to him to be a great mistake . As to the objection of Bro . Warren , ho thought it Avould be better to send the question back to the Committee of General Purposes for them to consider the mode in which justice could be done ; for it Avas admitted by all the brethren that the . present system contained a certain amount of evil .

It was then moved and seconded , as an amendment , that the report be referred back to the Board of General Purposes . Bro . HOPWOOD , P . G . D ., said he entertained a strong opinion

that when a man was in the prime of life lie Avas the man the most fitted for the discharge of his duties , and he could then fulfil them ivith the largest amount of satisfaction , and he ought to be fully and fairly remunerated without regard to future service . When ho was entitled to further remuneration that ought to be considered , but ifc ought not to be held out as an inducement for a man to obtain an increased salary

for a man to keep in an office when he became effete and was worn out . He looked upon it as bad policy to offer rewards for a continuance in office Avhen a man ivas unfitted for his duties , merely for the sake of obtaining an increase iu his salary . Ho hoped that this question Avould be considered fairly , and that they Avould have an opportunity of properly considering

it in Grand Lodge . Bro . HAA ' ERS said he could not take the same view of this question as had been taken by Bi-o . Hopwood , and he Avould ask whether ifc Avas not the rule in all public establishments that a man should get an increased salary for long service . He agreed with Bro . Sharp and also Avith Bro . Warren that

these were difficulties the members laboured under in respect of notice of motion , for they Avere in this position that they could not bring anything before the Grand Lodge unless it had previouly been submitted to a Board of Masters . He agreed Avith them as to the difficulty , but he did not agree that there had been any wrong doing on the part of the Board of General

Purposes as the rule was made by the brethren themselves-Even if it was a bad law , as they had themselves made ifc , they must obey it as ifc was no act of the executive . Ten years ago he ( Bi-o . Havers ) proposed a resolution to avoid this evil in Grand Lodge , but they rejected ifc . When they got a proper man to perform the duties of Grand Secretary at onco for £ 450 , Avith a prospect of succeeding to the larger sum of

£ 600 , ho believed ifc would be an inducement to him . to work , and an earnest that he ivill be remunerated in a proper manner , They might get a man Avho might turn out to be unable to perform the duties of Grand Secretary aud quite unfit for them , and if they were to give him £ 600 at the commencement he might turn out not to be worth 600 pence , and they would not

then like to turn him off and get rid of him . Therefore , under all the circumstances , he thought it better that there should bo a progressive increase of salary . Bro . MtfEi'ON thought by the scale proposed ifc Avould take too many years to arrive at the maximum salary . A Brother thought that £ 600 a year Avas an inadequate salary

for a gentlemen to perform such important duties as those of Grand Secretary , and be hoped an advance of 50 guineas a year for three years would be adopted . Bro . TOMKINS , G . Treas ., Avas of opinion that the snbjeet Avas worthy of consideration , but could be better discussed in a small body who could talk the matter over . He thought it quite

impossible to settle tho salary in a body where there might be 500 different opinions . Bro . VICTOB , WILLIAMSON , P . G . W ., wished to correct au impression that the Grand Lodge ivas not paying liberally when they proposed to make an increase of £ 15 in the second year , of the Grand Secretary's salary . When lie looked at the

salaries paid in tlie ' government offices—and he believed their worthy brother , the Deputy Grand Master , would correct him if ho Avas wrong , —the advance of salary there was only £ 10 , and they all knew ivhat competition there AVUS amongst the highest and best educated in the land to obtain these government appointments . Again , amongst members of the bar , they know Avhat competition there Avas for offices of small salary and considerably less than £ 400 a year . Therefore , he did not see ivhy Grand Lodge should pay higher prices than

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