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Masonic Notes And Queries.
Paris , April 1814 . This bourgeois possessed the ring in which Condorcet carried the poison that he swallowed ( trial and the guillotine being imminent ) ; and one day , showing me the ring , he spoke at great length of Condorcet . But a diary kept in early life proves that I learnt nothing whatever from him that
was not accessible in print to all whom curiosity might lead to look for it . —C . P . COOPEE . - FEEEMASOSTCIT AND CHEISTIAKITY . In the latter part of my contribution of last Saturday the concluding paragraph should run— " " We
are taught that the leading principles of our Order are brotherly love , relief , and truth . Only in the Ifew Testament are brotherly love and relief ( or charity ) strictly enjoined aud accurately defined , whilst there can be but one truth taken as a general principle , and our blessed Saviour has declared that He is the way , the truth , and the life . "—H . B . "WHITE .
Correspondence.
CORRESPONDENCE .
The Editor is not responsible for the opinions expressed hy Correspondents . SIP KMGHTS . TO THE EDITOE OE THE EREEMASOSS ArAGAZI-STS ANT ) HASOXTC MIIHIOB . DEAE SIR ATO BHOTHEE . — "When the Grand Yice-Chancellor of the Order of Knights Templars
of Eugland steps forward to apply the rod , a humble individual , like myself has only to " kiss , grin , and bear it . '' "While I do so let me , in respectful terms , regret that he has considered " either directly or by implication , " that I have ranked him in the category of " fools . " If he will re-read my note he will
per ceive that no such construction can be put upon it . At the same time I may be permitted to ask Sir Knt . M . H . Shuttieworth as to his statement of my being " wrong in speaking collectively of the members of the Order as Sir Knights , " why , at page 495 of Yol . xv . of this MagazineI find on the fourth line
, below his own name , the words " the following Sir Knights were present . " I asked a simple question in my note—I ask it again . I think Bro . Shuttieworth has been very unhappy in running tilt in favour of a windmill , taking it for a
giant ; still more is he unfortunate in the whole four paragraphs of his letter . He seems to be totally unaware that when the ancient Order of the Templars existed , such a thing as "Baronets ; and Knights " being " created by the Eoyal prerogative" was unknown , still less were " Knights Commanders and
Companions " known iu the ancient Order . Might I ask , if the present Order of Knights Templars and Knights of Malta are successors of the ancient Knights , how it comes that he calls himself " Sir Knt . M . H . Shuttieworth , " when , if he had lived in the days of Jacques de Molai , he would have been known
as " Sir M . H . Shuttieworth ? " Might I point out to him that his great authority , Sir Walter Scott , with all his faults and failings , was never guilty of calling a celebrated character of his Sir Knight Brian de Bois Gilbart . It is one thing addressing a man as Sir Knave , another calling him ¦ Sir Knave Wamba . I trust that Bro . Shuttieworth will see that my note was pertinent .
Correspondence.
Por authors' opinions as to Sir "Walter Scott and the Templars , and his value and veracity as an historian , I have to refer to the u Secret Societies of the Middle Ages ; ' and to Bro . Haye's " Persecution of the Knights Templars ; " in the latter of which works Bro . Shuttieworth will find all Sir Walter
Scott ' s statements with regard to the Templars proved false and contrary to facts . I must confess my surprise that the " Grand Vice-Chancellor" for England quotes the most violent and untruthful of the traducers of the Templars as an authoritywhen Sir Walter knew so much of the
, ancient Order as to dress Brian de Bois Gilbart , first in the cloak of the 'Teutonic Knights , and afterwardsin that of the Knights Hospitallers . I may refer Bro . Shuttieworth to such" works as-Bro . Ashmoles " History of the Garter , " 1715 , and Carter's " Analysis of Honor and Armory" 1660
for-, , an idea of Knighthood and Knights , and their properstyle of address . Apologising for the space ; hut the question seeinsimportant . Yours fraternally , J . H . M . BAIESSPATHEB .
BEO . W . J . HUGHAIST AKD A P . M . OP JEBSEY . TO THE EDITOtt OE THE EltEEilASONS' MAGAZINE AND -UASONIC _ -II _ lHO _ l . DEAB , SIE AND BEOTHEE . —My letter , protesting against the unhappy form of comparison as derogatory
to the brethren of the province of Jersey , elicited from Bro . Hughan the most frank , sincere , spontaneous , and satisfactory explanations , affirming on his honour as a Mason that he had no intention whatever to hurt the feelings of any Mason or body of Masons .
Believing as I do in his assurance , I hasten to respond to his fraternal appeal in heartily and cordially withdrawing all offensive , hitter , ancl objectionable phrases contained in my communication , and they are hereby withdrawn for ever . I may add , that I consider the act of writing this declaration as one of the
most agreeable and soothing moments of my life . I may also state that my conclusion arrived at is fully and entirely shared and endorsed by most influential brethren whom I have consulted on both occasions . Yours fraternally , A HUMBLE WOEKING P . M . OP JEESET .
THE KNIGHTS TEMPLAKS . TO THE EDITOB OE THE E-IEESTASOirs' alAG-AZIXE AITD -SIASOHTC JTIIIEOK . DEAE SIB AJSB BEOTHEE . —Bro . A . 0 . Haye , in a recent article on Masonry , attacks the Knights Templar , the Eoyal Order of Scotland , ancl the Knihts K—hof which last I can confidentlstate
g , y he knows nothing . Bro . Haye ridicules the idea of making the Knights Templar and Knights of Malta two degrees , since he says that on the suppression of the first-named Order the whole of the Knights joined the Order of Knights Hospitallers , now Knights of Maltaa statement which I have no hesitation in
, saying is utterly devoid of foundation . A writer in the " Encyclopcedia Metropolitana , " in an article on the subject ( quoted in Dr . Oliver ' s "Historical Landmarks of Preemasonry , " speaks thus of their connection with the brethren of the mystic tie : — " These knights were much connected with the
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Masonic Notes And Queries.
Paris , April 1814 . This bourgeois possessed the ring in which Condorcet carried the poison that he swallowed ( trial and the guillotine being imminent ) ; and one day , showing me the ring , he spoke at great length of Condorcet . But a diary kept in early life proves that I learnt nothing whatever from him that
was not accessible in print to all whom curiosity might lead to look for it . —C . P . COOPEE . - FEEEMASOSTCIT AND CHEISTIAKITY . In the latter part of my contribution of last Saturday the concluding paragraph should run— " " We
are taught that the leading principles of our Order are brotherly love , relief , and truth . Only in the Ifew Testament are brotherly love and relief ( or charity ) strictly enjoined aud accurately defined , whilst there can be but one truth taken as a general principle , and our blessed Saviour has declared that He is the way , the truth , and the life . "—H . B . "WHITE .
Correspondence.
CORRESPONDENCE .
The Editor is not responsible for the opinions expressed hy Correspondents . SIP KMGHTS . TO THE EDITOE OE THE EREEMASOSS ArAGAZI-STS ANT ) HASOXTC MIIHIOB . DEAE SIR ATO BHOTHEE . — "When the Grand Yice-Chancellor of the Order of Knights Templars
of Eugland steps forward to apply the rod , a humble individual , like myself has only to " kiss , grin , and bear it . '' "While I do so let me , in respectful terms , regret that he has considered " either directly or by implication , " that I have ranked him in the category of " fools . " If he will re-read my note he will
per ceive that no such construction can be put upon it . At the same time I may be permitted to ask Sir Knt . M . H . Shuttieworth as to his statement of my being " wrong in speaking collectively of the members of the Order as Sir Knights , " why , at page 495 of Yol . xv . of this MagazineI find on the fourth line
, below his own name , the words " the following Sir Knights were present . " I asked a simple question in my note—I ask it again . I think Bro . Shuttieworth has been very unhappy in running tilt in favour of a windmill , taking it for a
giant ; still more is he unfortunate in the whole four paragraphs of his letter . He seems to be totally unaware that when the ancient Order of the Templars existed , such a thing as "Baronets ; and Knights " being " created by the Eoyal prerogative" was unknown , still less were " Knights Commanders and
Companions " known iu the ancient Order . Might I ask , if the present Order of Knights Templars and Knights of Malta are successors of the ancient Knights , how it comes that he calls himself " Sir Knt . M . H . Shuttieworth , " when , if he had lived in the days of Jacques de Molai , he would have been known
as " Sir M . H . Shuttieworth ? " Might I point out to him that his great authority , Sir Walter Scott , with all his faults and failings , was never guilty of calling a celebrated character of his Sir Knight Brian de Bois Gilbart . It is one thing addressing a man as Sir Knave , another calling him ¦ Sir Knave Wamba . I trust that Bro . Shuttieworth will see that my note was pertinent .
Correspondence.
Por authors' opinions as to Sir "Walter Scott and the Templars , and his value and veracity as an historian , I have to refer to the u Secret Societies of the Middle Ages ; ' and to Bro . Haye's " Persecution of the Knights Templars ; " in the latter of which works Bro . Shuttieworth will find all Sir Walter
Scott ' s statements with regard to the Templars proved false and contrary to facts . I must confess my surprise that the " Grand Vice-Chancellor" for England quotes the most violent and untruthful of the traducers of the Templars as an authoritywhen Sir Walter knew so much of the
, ancient Order as to dress Brian de Bois Gilbart , first in the cloak of the 'Teutonic Knights , and afterwardsin that of the Knights Hospitallers . I may refer Bro . Shuttieworth to such" works as-Bro . Ashmoles " History of the Garter , " 1715 , and Carter's " Analysis of Honor and Armory" 1660
for-, , an idea of Knighthood and Knights , and their properstyle of address . Apologising for the space ; hut the question seeinsimportant . Yours fraternally , J . H . M . BAIESSPATHEB .
BEO . W . J . HUGHAIST AKD A P . M . OP JEBSEY . TO THE EDITOtt OE THE EltEEilASONS' MAGAZINE AND -UASONIC _ -II _ lHO _ l . DEAB , SIE AND BEOTHEE . —My letter , protesting against the unhappy form of comparison as derogatory
to the brethren of the province of Jersey , elicited from Bro . Hughan the most frank , sincere , spontaneous , and satisfactory explanations , affirming on his honour as a Mason that he had no intention whatever to hurt the feelings of any Mason or body of Masons .
Believing as I do in his assurance , I hasten to respond to his fraternal appeal in heartily and cordially withdrawing all offensive , hitter , ancl objectionable phrases contained in my communication , and they are hereby withdrawn for ever . I may add , that I consider the act of writing this declaration as one of the
most agreeable and soothing moments of my life . I may also state that my conclusion arrived at is fully and entirely shared and endorsed by most influential brethren whom I have consulted on both occasions . Yours fraternally , A HUMBLE WOEKING P . M . OP JEESET .
THE KNIGHTS TEMPLAKS . TO THE EDITOB OE THE E-IEESTASOirs' alAG-AZIXE AITD -SIASOHTC JTIIIEOK . DEAE SIB AJSB BEOTHEE . —Bro . A . 0 . Haye , in a recent article on Masonry , attacks the Knights Templar , the Eoyal Order of Scotland , ancl the Knihts K—hof which last I can confidentlstate
g , y he knows nothing . Bro . Haye ridicules the idea of making the Knights Templar and Knights of Malta two degrees , since he says that on the suppression of the first-named Order the whole of the Knights joined the Order of Knights Hospitallers , now Knights of Maltaa statement which I have no hesitation in
, saying is utterly devoid of foundation . A writer in the " Encyclopcedia Metropolitana , " in an article on the subject ( quoted in Dr . Oliver ' s "Historical Landmarks of Preemasonry , " speaks thus of their connection with the brethren of the mystic tie : — " These knights were much connected with the