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P.M.'S And The Working Brethren Of Lodges.

is implied that I am forbidden so to do . This is certainly a very strict interpretation of the law , which , I quite agree with B . " should be regarded as a remedial statute , interpreted liberally , and according to its plain and obvious meaning . " I am not desirous , but far the contrary , to preside over a lodge after

having ceased to occupy its chair as W . M ., hut I feel that I should act very uncourteously in refusing to do so at the request of the W . M . of a lodge to which I belong , if the act be sanctioned by the assent of the officers . When I have been called upon to assist with the

ceremonies in the presence of the W . M ., I have , in accordance with common practice , taken the W . M . ' s chair pro . tern ., and invariably resigned it again on their conclusion , leaving the W . M . to conduct the other business of the lodge . Now I am led to understand that I must stand on the floor by the side of

the W . M . I defy anyone thus placed efficiently to perform the ceremonies , for the acting W . M . ought to be so raised as not only to have command of the candidate , but to observe and control the proceedings of the subordinate officers .

Admitting , as I did , that according to the law " a P . M . in the lodge should not make a claim to supersede a P . M . of the lodge who demands the chair as a right in the absence of the W . M ., " I think I concede all that Bro . Kelly requires ; but I do contend that in the absence of that claim and under request from the

W . M ., I did right in taking his place , and further consideration led me to conceive that " law No . 6 , under the head ' Masters and Wardens , " is intended only to define the proper order of precedence , and to prevent unseemly dispute when the W . M . is absent and has neglected to provide a competent substitute . "

From other P . M . ' s I have received opinions in writing in accordance with this view . It will be observed that in this letter I have abstained from use of the word legally , which was , perhaps , unwisely introduced before , and seems to have caused misapprehension in several instances .

The terms in which the matter has been laid before the P . M . ' s , whose opinions have been sought by myself and others , have varied much , and hence the chief point , which I have stated above , has not been caught in several cases . Some have gone even much further than I do in the interpretation of the law .

What I complain of is that I am blamed for doing an act of kindness to a W . M ., at his request , with the assent of all those who were concerned , and with whose wishes I should have at once complied had they desired to take the place which I was called upon to fill , for I have claimed no precedence , as some seem to suppose . Tours fraternally , H . IT .

TO THE EDITOE OF THE FBEE 3 IASOHS' MAGAZINE AND 11130 X 10 MIUEOH . _ Dear . Sir and Brother , —I have read with considerable interest the letters concerning P . M . ' s which have appeared in the last two numbers of the Magazine , and cordially agree with the ruling of the P . G . M . of Devon and the sentiments of the DPGMof

.... Leicestershire , as to the distinction between a P . M . of a lodge and a P . M . in a lodge . But there is one point which in discussing what I term the secondary consideration , has been entirely kept in the background , and that is , the right ofthe W . M . ( if absent )

P.M.'S And The Working Brethren Of Lodges.

to nominate in writing a brother to take his place I contend that a W . M ., when he nominates a brothel " to rule the lodge in his absence , " exceeds the power with which he has been invested . " A W . M . ' s doty , if he cannot be present , is simply to send an apology for non-attendance , and let the I . P . M . or senior

P . M . of the lodge present take his proper positioBj , as is clearly laid down in the Book of Constitutions , art . 6 , p . 78 . But I have seen it often occur , in the attempt to put a "liberal and intelligent construction" upou certain laws , that [ other words , for make them read to suit your purpose ] the laws have

been so distorted and shamed as to put , in my opinion ,, almost the reverse of their meaning . There mighthave been , on the night in question , P . M . ' s of tbe lodge present who would have liked to have presided , but who , for the sake of preserving harmony , would not press their right against the written desire of the

W . M . It is evidently as inconsistent for a P . M ., on joining another lodge , to claim a right of priority or even equality with the P . M . ' s of that lodge as it would be for a M . M ., on joining , to claim prior rank over those members who had been initiated subsequent to him ; or a P . G . Officer , on removing to another

province , to attempt to claim his rank there . As to the very profound question of "> J < B >|« " and his " formidable array of P-M . ' s as to who should preside in a new lodge in the absence ofthe W . M ., he need not have paused very long for a reply , for if he had read to the end of the article he quoteshe would have found

, that the Wardens then " rule the lodge , " not a P . M . of another lodge . But then he might have carried his"ifs " further , and " paused for a reply " in ease they were absent ; or asked how could a candidate be initiated if only six were present ; or other IES ad lib , Tours fraternally , 0 . P .

BRO . MELVILLE'S DISCOVERIES . TO THE EDITOE OF THE FREEMASONS' . 1 UGAZI . Y 2 A > "D ITASOIv'IC MIKEOE . Dear Sir and Brother , —All hail to Bro . D . J , Godfrey ' s letter in the Magazine of the 10 th inst ., p . 290 , recognising the inestimable importance of Bro .

Melville ' s discoveries , and suggesting a system by which they may be made available to and preserved by the brethren ! It is now some time since Bro . Melville gave me , in Australia , an insight into the nature of his researches , and so deeply Avas I impressed with the

magnitude and extraordinary value of the results , that I urged his immediate return to England to impart them , to the Grand Lodge , and soon after my own return to Europe read before the Archasological Society , Paris , one of Bro . Melville's papers expoundingby the liht of his discoveriesthe 13 th verse of

, g , the 145 th Psalms , — " Thy kingdom is an everlasting kingdom , and Thy dominion endureth throughout all ages . " The paper was Avell received , and its favourable review in Galignani appeared in the Illustrated lYetvs Tour correspondent saw many brethren on the subject ; some inquired , " Did Bro . Melville belong to

any university ? " others , " Didhe discover the MSS . containing so much strange knowledge , or dig them out of some buried city ? " for , had that been the case , the MSS . would have been eagerly sought after and peradventure greedily purchased at a fabulous price for the British Museum . At length arrangements Avere made foi Bro . MeS >

“The Freemasons' Monthly Magazine: 1869-04-17, Page 9” Masonic Periodicals Online, Library and Museum of Freemasonry, 24 March 2023, www.masonicperiodicals.org/periodicals/mmr/issues/mmr_17041869/page/9/.
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SKETCHES OF NOTABLE MASONIC WORKS. Article 1
EARS OF WHEAT FROM A CORNUCOPIA. Article 2
MASONIC CELESTIAL MYSTERIES. Article 4
Untitled Article 6
THE POPE AND THE FREEMASONS. Article 6
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 7
P.M.'S AND THE WORKING BRETHREN OF LODGES. Article 8
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 10
ROYAL MASONIC INSTITUTION FOR BOYS. Article 11
INAUGURATION OF THE NEW MASONIC HALL AND BUILDINGS. Article 11
METROPOLITAN. Article 15
PROVINCIAL. Article 15
CHANNEL ISLANDS. Article 16
SOUTH AFRICA. Article 16
ROYAL ARCH. Article 17
MARK MASONRY. Article 17
MASONIC FESTIVITIES. Article 17
Poetry. Article 19
MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED SOCIETIES. Article 20
LIST OF LODGE, &c., MEETINGS FOR WEEK ENDING 24TH APRIL, 1869. Article 20
MASONIC LIFEBOAT FUND. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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P.M.'S And The Working Brethren Of Lodges.

is implied that I am forbidden so to do . This is certainly a very strict interpretation of the law , which , I quite agree with B . " should be regarded as a remedial statute , interpreted liberally , and according to its plain and obvious meaning . " I am not desirous , but far the contrary , to preside over a lodge after

having ceased to occupy its chair as W . M ., hut I feel that I should act very uncourteously in refusing to do so at the request of the W . M . of a lodge to which I belong , if the act be sanctioned by the assent of the officers . When I have been called upon to assist with the

ceremonies in the presence of the W . M ., I have , in accordance with common practice , taken the W . M . ' s chair pro . tern ., and invariably resigned it again on their conclusion , leaving the W . M . to conduct the other business of the lodge . Now I am led to understand that I must stand on the floor by the side of

the W . M . I defy anyone thus placed efficiently to perform the ceremonies , for the acting W . M . ought to be so raised as not only to have command of the candidate , but to observe and control the proceedings of the subordinate officers .

Admitting , as I did , that according to the law " a P . M . in the lodge should not make a claim to supersede a P . M . of the lodge who demands the chair as a right in the absence of the W . M ., " I think I concede all that Bro . Kelly requires ; but I do contend that in the absence of that claim and under request from the

W . M ., I did right in taking his place , and further consideration led me to conceive that " law No . 6 , under the head ' Masters and Wardens , " is intended only to define the proper order of precedence , and to prevent unseemly dispute when the W . M . is absent and has neglected to provide a competent substitute . "

From other P . M . ' s I have received opinions in writing in accordance with this view . It will be observed that in this letter I have abstained from use of the word legally , which was , perhaps , unwisely introduced before , and seems to have caused misapprehension in several instances .

The terms in which the matter has been laid before the P . M . ' s , whose opinions have been sought by myself and others , have varied much , and hence the chief point , which I have stated above , has not been caught in several cases . Some have gone even much further than I do in the interpretation of the law .

What I complain of is that I am blamed for doing an act of kindness to a W . M ., at his request , with the assent of all those who were concerned , and with whose wishes I should have at once complied had they desired to take the place which I was called upon to fill , for I have claimed no precedence , as some seem to suppose . Tours fraternally , H . IT .

TO THE EDITOE OF THE FBEE 3 IASOHS' MAGAZINE AND 11130 X 10 MIUEOH . _ Dear . Sir and Brother , —I have read with considerable interest the letters concerning P . M . ' s which have appeared in the last two numbers of the Magazine , and cordially agree with the ruling of the P . G . M . of Devon and the sentiments of the DPGMof

.... Leicestershire , as to the distinction between a P . M . of a lodge and a P . M . in a lodge . But there is one point which in discussing what I term the secondary consideration , has been entirely kept in the background , and that is , the right ofthe W . M . ( if absent )

P.M.'S And The Working Brethren Of Lodges.

to nominate in writing a brother to take his place I contend that a W . M ., when he nominates a brothel " to rule the lodge in his absence , " exceeds the power with which he has been invested . " A W . M . ' s doty , if he cannot be present , is simply to send an apology for non-attendance , and let the I . P . M . or senior

P . M . of the lodge present take his proper positioBj , as is clearly laid down in the Book of Constitutions , art . 6 , p . 78 . But I have seen it often occur , in the attempt to put a "liberal and intelligent construction" upou certain laws , that [ other words , for make them read to suit your purpose ] the laws have

been so distorted and shamed as to put , in my opinion ,, almost the reverse of their meaning . There mighthave been , on the night in question , P . M . ' s of tbe lodge present who would have liked to have presided , but who , for the sake of preserving harmony , would not press their right against the written desire of the

W . M . It is evidently as inconsistent for a P . M ., on joining another lodge , to claim a right of priority or even equality with the P . M . ' s of that lodge as it would be for a M . M ., on joining , to claim prior rank over those members who had been initiated subsequent to him ; or a P . G . Officer , on removing to another

province , to attempt to claim his rank there . As to the very profound question of "> J < B >|« " and his " formidable array of P-M . ' s as to who should preside in a new lodge in the absence ofthe W . M ., he need not have paused very long for a reply , for if he had read to the end of the article he quoteshe would have found

, that the Wardens then " rule the lodge , " not a P . M . of another lodge . But then he might have carried his"ifs " further , and " paused for a reply " in ease they were absent ; or asked how could a candidate be initiated if only six were present ; or other IES ad lib , Tours fraternally , 0 . P .

BRO . MELVILLE'S DISCOVERIES . TO THE EDITOE OF THE FREEMASONS' . 1 UGAZI . Y 2 A > "D ITASOIv'IC MIKEOE . Dear Sir and Brother , —All hail to Bro . D . J , Godfrey ' s letter in the Magazine of the 10 th inst ., p . 290 , recognising the inestimable importance of Bro .

Melville ' s discoveries , and suggesting a system by which they may be made available to and preserved by the brethren ! It is now some time since Bro . Melville gave me , in Australia , an insight into the nature of his researches , and so deeply Avas I impressed with the

magnitude and extraordinary value of the results , that I urged his immediate return to England to impart them , to the Grand Lodge , and soon after my own return to Europe read before the Archasological Society , Paris , one of Bro . Melville's papers expoundingby the liht of his discoveriesthe 13 th verse of

, g , the 145 th Psalms , — " Thy kingdom is an everlasting kingdom , and Thy dominion endureth throughout all ages . " The paper was Avell received , and its favourable review in Galignani appeared in the Illustrated lYetvs Tour correspondent saw many brethren on the subject ; some inquired , " Did Bro . Melville belong to

any university ? " others , " Didhe discover the MSS . containing so much strange knowledge , or dig them out of some buried city ? " for , had that been the case , the MSS . would have been eagerly sought after and peradventure greedily purchased at a fabulous price for the British Museum . At length arrangements Avere made foi Bro . MeS >

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