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Masonic Notes And Queries.
GLASGOW OATHEDEAL . Bro . Buchau misunderstands me . I make no pretension to know anything about Glasgow Cathedral , further than examining it very minutely in 1859 . On turning to my note in No . 483 , this is what I say : — "In Jocelin ' s crypt there are the following
lines , " which I quote . Now the crypt I saw them in was called Jocelin ' s . I booked it as such , and gave the lines as the important part of the note , not heeding very much what name the place I got them in was known by . —ANTHONY ONEAL HAYE .
MASONIC CHAETEBS AND ANCIENT DOCUMENTS . This is a subject that calls for great care , research , knowledge , and fair play . As I hinted at page 210 , I am afraid that few ancient * charters , given directly or personally to "the Masons , " or building fraternities be foundyet it is certain there is a
, may ; vast amount of information to be derived from our ancient records , if properly collated and considered ,-let the proper track be onco got into and then kept . Such "privileges" as those granted in the "letters issued " ( see page 289 ) are worthy of consideration . I am afraid there is some great mistake or
misconception on the part of "B . Y . " in his communication ( page 229 , Sept . 19 th ) . F . g ., he says : " In Scotland guild charters could have only two examples—Anglo-Saxon , of which we have evidence in the English records , and Norman or French , of which there are plenty of instances . "
Will " R . Y . " oblige me by mentioning one Norman and one French Scottish guild charter , so that I might know something about them ? I imagined that our Scottish charters were generally in Latin ; but , to make sure , I consulted the best authority I was acquainted with , and I believe the following remarks to be worth
y of the highest consideration from all interested : — " I think there were no ' guild' charters either in Anglo-Saxon or Norman English times . Chartered guilds in boroughs were comparatively late . Our ( Scottish ) charters were in Latin without variation till 1-100 . Indeed , till that time the vernacular
was not used in any writing ( the exceptions so few and so late as only to strengthen the rule ) . I do not know what R . Y . means by guild charters having " examples " either Anglo-Saxon or Norman . There are plenty of charters , indeed , in both languages—but ' guild ' charters , I think , none . —W . P . BUCHAN .
EIGHT OE G . M . TO LAY EOUNDATION STONES . The G . M . has no such right , although the hereditary G . M . ' s , the St . Glairs of Roslin , by virtue of being Crown officers , had . When St . Clair surrendered his office and the Grand Lodge was constitutedthe G . M . ceased to be a Crown Officerand
, , could not collect fees from the operatives . The Duke of Athole on several occasions protested against the late Prince Consort presiding at the laying of foundation stones as interfering with his prerogative as G . M ., but , on investigation , it was found that no such prerogative existed . —A . 0 . HAYE .
Correspondence.
CORRESPONDENCE .
The Editor is not responsible for the opinions expressed by Correspondent ^ GRAND LODGE LIBRARY .
TO THE EDITOR OU THE EEEEMASO-YS' MAGAZINE A 1 TD MASONIC MIBBOP . Dear Sir and Brother , —I am decidedly of the opinion expressed by P . M . Appoint a " librarian " first ; books will follow . Many may give small collections , in such a case , " who would be demented if they gave only to have their donations flung aside
into some unlit and out-of-the-way room , to become heaps of dust , uncared for and unused . Grand lodge might make an annual grant for purchases , and lodges and individual members might become subscribers , thus obtaining at the lowest expense , from such a central depot , the largest
possible amount of Masonic reading . A plan , such as the great circulating libraries adopt , would render private lodge libraries needless . I am convinced that , in proper hands , a library would prosper ; but whilst in such hands one hundred . books , well eared for , circulated , and read , would assuredly prove a most successful nucleus , I should
like to know what good can emanate from storing a thousand in some closet at "the Hall , " where neither you nor 1 can reach them ? Your librarian must be a man of large reading ; your library embrace works of almost every science and language , for science ( as in its large signification ) is the Mason ' s Craftand language is his
, necessary evil . Bro . Harris , P . M ., is very funny ; but , what would you say—if I may suggest it—to allotting your next two spare pages to the first part of a list of those books which the shelves of a library , such as we ought to boast of , should contain . Brethren who have the
will and the power to give , or the opportunity to obtain the books , would have an excellent guide then ; whilst now one , and then another , would be able to throw out a suggestion as to editions , & c . Would you then open your columns to " Important Masonic Conferences ? " Yours fraternally , W . M ., KIM .
Zetland Commemoration.
ZETLAND COMMEMORATION .
TO THE EDITOE OF THE CTIEEJUSOITS' MAGAZIlfE AKD MASOUIC MIBBOB . Dear Sir and Brother , —Observing the letters of ^ 'West Country" and "A P . M . of 25 Years Standing " in your paper of the Srd inst ., I beg to enclose a copy of the circular and printed statement which lias been sent to all Prov . and D . Prov . G . M . ' sto all
, present and Past Grand Officers , and to the Masters aud Principals of all lodges aud chapters both in England and the Colonies . You will observe that the letter offers copies of the statement to all who ask for them ; and that the letter states that the form which the project shall take will depend on the
amount of subscriptions , and will be determined at a meeting of the General Committee . This meeting has not yet taken place , nor can it usefully be held until returns have been received from the numerous lodges and chapters who do not recommence their meetings until November .
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Masonic Notes And Queries.
GLASGOW OATHEDEAL . Bro . Buchau misunderstands me . I make no pretension to know anything about Glasgow Cathedral , further than examining it very minutely in 1859 . On turning to my note in No . 483 , this is what I say : — "In Jocelin ' s crypt there are the following
lines , " which I quote . Now the crypt I saw them in was called Jocelin ' s . I booked it as such , and gave the lines as the important part of the note , not heeding very much what name the place I got them in was known by . —ANTHONY ONEAL HAYE .
MASONIC CHAETEBS AND ANCIENT DOCUMENTS . This is a subject that calls for great care , research , knowledge , and fair play . As I hinted at page 210 , I am afraid that few ancient * charters , given directly or personally to "the Masons , " or building fraternities be foundyet it is certain there is a
, may ; vast amount of information to be derived from our ancient records , if properly collated and considered ,-let the proper track be onco got into and then kept . Such "privileges" as those granted in the "letters issued " ( see page 289 ) are worthy of consideration . I am afraid there is some great mistake or
misconception on the part of "B . Y . " in his communication ( page 229 , Sept . 19 th ) . F . g ., he says : " In Scotland guild charters could have only two examples—Anglo-Saxon , of which we have evidence in the English records , and Norman or French , of which there are plenty of instances . "
Will " R . Y . " oblige me by mentioning one Norman and one French Scottish guild charter , so that I might know something about them ? I imagined that our Scottish charters were generally in Latin ; but , to make sure , I consulted the best authority I was acquainted with , and I believe the following remarks to be worth
y of the highest consideration from all interested : — " I think there were no ' guild' charters either in Anglo-Saxon or Norman English times . Chartered guilds in boroughs were comparatively late . Our ( Scottish ) charters were in Latin without variation till 1-100 . Indeed , till that time the vernacular
was not used in any writing ( the exceptions so few and so late as only to strengthen the rule ) . I do not know what R . Y . means by guild charters having " examples " either Anglo-Saxon or Norman . There are plenty of charters , indeed , in both languages—but ' guild ' charters , I think , none . —W . P . BUCHAN .
EIGHT OE G . M . TO LAY EOUNDATION STONES . The G . M . has no such right , although the hereditary G . M . ' s , the St . Glairs of Roslin , by virtue of being Crown officers , had . When St . Clair surrendered his office and the Grand Lodge was constitutedthe G . M . ceased to be a Crown Officerand
, , could not collect fees from the operatives . The Duke of Athole on several occasions protested against the late Prince Consort presiding at the laying of foundation stones as interfering with his prerogative as G . M ., but , on investigation , it was found that no such prerogative existed . —A . 0 . HAYE .
Correspondence.
CORRESPONDENCE .
The Editor is not responsible for the opinions expressed by Correspondent ^ GRAND LODGE LIBRARY .
TO THE EDITOR OU THE EEEEMASO-YS' MAGAZINE A 1 TD MASONIC MIBBOP . Dear Sir and Brother , —I am decidedly of the opinion expressed by P . M . Appoint a " librarian " first ; books will follow . Many may give small collections , in such a case , " who would be demented if they gave only to have their donations flung aside
into some unlit and out-of-the-way room , to become heaps of dust , uncared for and unused . Grand lodge might make an annual grant for purchases , and lodges and individual members might become subscribers , thus obtaining at the lowest expense , from such a central depot , the largest
possible amount of Masonic reading . A plan , such as the great circulating libraries adopt , would render private lodge libraries needless . I am convinced that , in proper hands , a library would prosper ; but whilst in such hands one hundred . books , well eared for , circulated , and read , would assuredly prove a most successful nucleus , I should
like to know what good can emanate from storing a thousand in some closet at "the Hall , " where neither you nor 1 can reach them ? Your librarian must be a man of large reading ; your library embrace works of almost every science and language , for science ( as in its large signification ) is the Mason ' s Craftand language is his
, necessary evil . Bro . Harris , P . M ., is very funny ; but , what would you say—if I may suggest it—to allotting your next two spare pages to the first part of a list of those books which the shelves of a library , such as we ought to boast of , should contain . Brethren who have the
will and the power to give , or the opportunity to obtain the books , would have an excellent guide then ; whilst now one , and then another , would be able to throw out a suggestion as to editions , & c . Would you then open your columns to " Important Masonic Conferences ? " Yours fraternally , W . M ., KIM .
Zetland Commemoration.
ZETLAND COMMEMORATION .
TO THE EDITOE OF THE CTIEEJUSOITS' MAGAZIlfE AKD MASOUIC MIBBOB . Dear Sir and Brother , —Observing the letters of ^ 'West Country" and "A P . M . of 25 Years Standing " in your paper of the Srd inst ., I beg to enclose a copy of the circular and printed statement which lias been sent to all Prov . and D . Prov . G . M . ' sto all
, present and Past Grand Officers , and to the Masters aud Principals of all lodges aud chapters both in England and the Colonies . You will observe that the letter offers copies of the statement to all who ask for them ; and that the letter states that the form which the project shall take will depend on the
amount of subscriptions , and will be determined at a meeting of the General Committee . This meeting has not yet taken place , nor can it usefully be held until returns have been received from the numerous lodges and chapters who do not recommence their meetings until November .