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Masonic Notes And Queries.

Haye considers spurious , hacl anything to do with Freemasonry , as some of our authorities seem to think . Some of these profess by the light of Masonry to read the Rosicrucian MSS . It appears the Society did some time ago occupy itself with the philosopher ' s stoue and the elixir of life . What Sir

Humphry Davy meant has not been supposed to favour the researches of Rosicrucians and alchemists , but was founded on the abstract question of the properties of matter , and the theory of all elementary bodies being revolyable into one , of which in physiology pangenesis may be considered the development . If the Rosicrucian Society has nothing to do with Masonry , why are its proceedings recorded as Masonic events in Masonic annals ?—LECTOR .

GUILDS OP MASONS . It will assist the discussion of this subject if a list of guilds of Masons be published in the Freemasons ' Magazine . I can only name the Guild , or Company of Masons in London ; I belieA'e the only one now subsisting in England . Our Scotch brethren can readily begin Avith a Scotch list—Edinburgh , GlasgOAV , Aberdeen , Dundee , & c . —UNION .

THE " FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE " AND MASONIC INQUIRY ' . No . 493 of the Freemasons' Magazine constitutes an era in Masonic history , and it is to be hoped the turning point . HOAV dreary " Notes and Queries " used to be ; a few strav notes from the memorandum

book of some zealous brother , and a chance contribution of importance . During this year , however , drill has been actively going on ; a new school of inquiry has been created , dangerous to the old school of mutually complimented ,: great authorities " of mysterious character . There has been some pulling down

, as there * vas great need , for the rubbish had accumulated , but there has been much reconstruction . No . 493 contains reconstruction in the shape of Bro . Hugkan ' s paper of D'Assigny , aud reconstruction even in the destructive paper of Bro . Haye ou Scotch Charters . There are several subjects now being

discussed m earnest , to the great benefit of the debaters , who will be better men ten years hence , Avhen they have acquired the further results of their mutual labours . We are not out of the Slough of Despond , however , and must not be too jubilant , for Ave still have the Book of Job , the Red ' Cross , Bro . Harris , the Rosicrucians , and A'arious authorities in full force .

What is now wanted is for the Craft to co-operate with the Magazine . Up to this time in England , America , Germany , and France , there has rarel y been such a number of a periodical , not forgetting " good men and true . " Vixere fortes auto Agamemnon . "NOTA .

ROYAL ARCH DEGREE . The important communication of Bro . Hughan as to D'Assigny leaves several points open for " further inquiry , as these for instance . —1 . Was the organized body of men , who hacl passed the chair , in Dublin or in London ? 2 . If in Dublin , Avas it derived from London ? 3 . If D'Assigny printed iu 1744 , at what time before was the organized hody in existence ? 4 . Whether , as the organized body consisted of those

Avho had passed the chair , was there then a P . M . degree ? 5 . Were members put in the chair for a short period to take the P . M . degree ? 6 . Was the P . M . degree then a part of the R . A ., as in some jurisdictions it now is ? 7 . Whether the P . M . degree may not have been developed before other portions of

the R . A . ? S . How far the P . M . and R . A . degrees were expansions of the M . M . degree ? 9 . Whether these or any of them Avern regarded by D'Assigny ancl his school as parts of the 3 rd degree or appendages of it ? 10 . How far any objection of theirs was tantamount to objecting to the separating of auy

portion of the ceremony from the M . M . degree and its separate organization ? 11 . How far the M . M . itself , in its earlier stages , was a degree dependent on passing the chair ? I am very much inclined to doubt AA'hether D'Assigny really does condemn the R . A . The way

I read ifc is this—that in Dublin an impostor had appeared some years ago who professed to be Master of the Royal Arch of a York Rite , aud carried on his scheme for some months , when it was proved by a brother of the R . A . from London to be false , and the impostor was excluded from the Craft . This is a

story clear by itself that some time before 1740 ( no 1744 ) a certain York R . A . Rite was setup in Dublin ' and shortly put down . Then we come to this factthat there was then another R . A . Rite , a legitimate one practised m London . Whether a "lodge" of the London Rite was established in Dublin in or

before 1744 is not clear , but D'Assigny must be taken to mean that the fraternity complained they were not admitted as a matter of right to the " London " R . A . degree . D'Assigny ( p . 465 ) repels this assumption , and defends the conduct of the R . A . " lodge ' ' in not admitting indiscriminately . Again , we find that

" lately , " say 1743 , an itinerant Mason appeared in Dublin professing to have three degrees beyond the three Craft degrees . What these were need not be guessed , but they imply a ne plus ultra degree . D'Assigny pppears to object to these schemes , thafc is , to Avhat is now called Christian Masonry , and not to the R . A . or P . M . degree . —R . Y .

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The 'Editor is not responsible for the opinions expressed by Correspondents , GRAND LODGE OF MARK MASTERS .

TO THE EDIT 01 I OF THE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIEBOB . Dear Sir and Brother , —I see in your number of to-day a report of the meeting of the Grand Lodge of Mark Masters held on December 1 st . In the course of proceedings letters were read from several officers and others Avho , from various causes , Avere unable to

attend ; but I was vexed to fiud that my name Avas not mentioned , although I wrote to the Grand Sec . three weeks ago at some length in explanation of my reasons for absence , which I felt sure would be quite satisfactory . Holding a high office in the Grand LodgeI am umvilling to allow that any one should

, consider me inattentive to my duties . Yours fraternally , HENRY HOPKINS , G . J . W . Totnes , December 12 th , 1868 .

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THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS. Article 1
CHAPTER XI. Article 4
MASONIC DISCIPLINE.—III. Article 5
THE SIX DAYS' WORK OF CREATION IN HONOUR OF MASONRY. Article 7
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 8
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 10
BRO. MANNINGHAM AND BRO. FINDEL. Article 11
BRO. MANNINGHAM. Article 11
FREEMASONRY AND CHRISTIANITY. Article 11
SHAKESPEARE A FREEMASON. Article 12
MASONIC MEMS. Article 12
METROPOLITAN. Article 13
PROVINCIAL. Article 13
SCOTLAND. Article 16
ISLE OF MAN. Article 16
ROYAL ARCH. Article 17
MARK MASONRY. Article 17
MASONIC LIFEBOAT FUND. Article 17
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 20
METROPOLITAN LODGE MEETINGS, ETC., FOR THE WEEK ENDING DECEMBER 26TH , 1868. Article 20
Poetry. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Masonic Notes And Queries.

Haye considers spurious , hacl anything to do with Freemasonry , as some of our authorities seem to think . Some of these profess by the light of Masonry to read the Rosicrucian MSS . It appears the Society did some time ago occupy itself with the philosopher ' s stoue and the elixir of life . What Sir

Humphry Davy meant has not been supposed to favour the researches of Rosicrucians and alchemists , but was founded on the abstract question of the properties of matter , and the theory of all elementary bodies being revolyable into one , of which in physiology pangenesis may be considered the development . If the Rosicrucian Society has nothing to do with Masonry , why are its proceedings recorded as Masonic events in Masonic annals ?—LECTOR .

GUILDS OP MASONS . It will assist the discussion of this subject if a list of guilds of Masons be published in the Freemasons ' Magazine . I can only name the Guild , or Company of Masons in London ; I belieA'e the only one now subsisting in England . Our Scotch brethren can readily begin Avith a Scotch list—Edinburgh , GlasgOAV , Aberdeen , Dundee , & c . —UNION .

THE " FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE " AND MASONIC INQUIRY ' . No . 493 of the Freemasons' Magazine constitutes an era in Masonic history , and it is to be hoped the turning point . HOAV dreary " Notes and Queries " used to be ; a few strav notes from the memorandum

book of some zealous brother , and a chance contribution of importance . During this year , however , drill has been actively going on ; a new school of inquiry has been created , dangerous to the old school of mutually complimented ,: great authorities " of mysterious character . There has been some pulling down

, as there * vas great need , for the rubbish had accumulated , but there has been much reconstruction . No . 493 contains reconstruction in the shape of Bro . Hugkan ' s paper of D'Assigny , aud reconstruction even in the destructive paper of Bro . Haye ou Scotch Charters . There are several subjects now being

discussed m earnest , to the great benefit of the debaters , who will be better men ten years hence , Avhen they have acquired the further results of their mutual labours . We are not out of the Slough of Despond , however , and must not be too jubilant , for Ave still have the Book of Job , the Red ' Cross , Bro . Harris , the Rosicrucians , and A'arious authorities in full force .

What is now wanted is for the Craft to co-operate with the Magazine . Up to this time in England , America , Germany , and France , there has rarel y been such a number of a periodical , not forgetting " good men and true . " Vixere fortes auto Agamemnon . "NOTA .

ROYAL ARCH DEGREE . The important communication of Bro . Hughan as to D'Assigny leaves several points open for " further inquiry , as these for instance . —1 . Was the organized body of men , who hacl passed the chair , in Dublin or in London ? 2 . If in Dublin , Avas it derived from London ? 3 . If D'Assigny printed iu 1744 , at what time before was the organized hody in existence ? 4 . Whether , as the organized body consisted of those

Avho had passed the chair , was there then a P . M . degree ? 5 . Were members put in the chair for a short period to take the P . M . degree ? 6 . Was the P . M . degree then a part of the R . A ., as in some jurisdictions it now is ? 7 . Whether the P . M . degree may not have been developed before other portions of

the R . A . ? S . How far the P . M . and R . A . degrees were expansions of the M . M . degree ? 9 . Whether these or any of them Avern regarded by D'Assigny ancl his school as parts of the 3 rd degree or appendages of it ? 10 . How far any objection of theirs was tantamount to objecting to the separating of auy

portion of the ceremony from the M . M . degree and its separate organization ? 11 . How far the M . M . itself , in its earlier stages , was a degree dependent on passing the chair ? I am very much inclined to doubt AA'hether D'Assigny really does condemn the R . A . The way

I read ifc is this—that in Dublin an impostor had appeared some years ago who professed to be Master of the Royal Arch of a York Rite , aud carried on his scheme for some months , when it was proved by a brother of the R . A . from London to be false , and the impostor was excluded from the Craft . This is a

story clear by itself that some time before 1740 ( no 1744 ) a certain York R . A . Rite was setup in Dublin ' and shortly put down . Then we come to this factthat there was then another R . A . Rite , a legitimate one practised m London . Whether a "lodge" of the London Rite was established in Dublin in or

before 1744 is not clear , but D'Assigny must be taken to mean that the fraternity complained they were not admitted as a matter of right to the " London " R . A . degree . D'Assigny ( p . 465 ) repels this assumption , and defends the conduct of the R . A . " lodge ' ' in not admitting indiscriminately . Again , we find that

" lately , " say 1743 , an itinerant Mason appeared in Dublin professing to have three degrees beyond the three Craft degrees . What these were need not be guessed , but they imply a ne plus ultra degree . D'Assigny pppears to object to these schemes , thafc is , to Avhat is now called Christian Masonry , and not to the R . A . or P . M . degree . —R . Y .

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The 'Editor is not responsible for the opinions expressed by Correspondents , GRAND LODGE OF MARK MASTERS .

TO THE EDIT 01 I OF THE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIEBOB . Dear Sir and Brother , —I see in your number of to-day a report of the meeting of the Grand Lodge of Mark Masters held on December 1 st . In the course of proceedings letters were read from several officers and others Avho , from various causes , Avere unable to

attend ; but I was vexed to fiud that my name Avas not mentioned , although I wrote to the Grand Sec . three weeks ago at some length in explanation of my reasons for absence , which I felt sure would be quite satisfactory . Holding a high office in the Grand LodgeI am umvilling to allow that any one should

, consider me inattentive to my duties . Yours fraternally , HENRY HOPKINS , G . J . W . Totnes , December 12 th , 1868 .

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