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Lodge . Unless , as stated at the end of Sec . 9 proposing members— " There be no other lodge in the vicinity of his dwelling of which he can become a member , he may be permitted to pay through the lodge in which he was initiated , the quarterly dues to the Fund of Benevolence . " But such payments ivould not constitute the Tyler or serving brother a member of that lodge . Therefore our

Bro . Davis ' s diction that Tylers cannot be considered servingbrethren cannot hold ; nor can we say with either the Deputy Prov . G . M . and Bro . Davis that tho Constitutions are not clear on this subject , although they might have been clearer . As other lodges may be labouring under the same doubts on this pointand as other brethren ' s inions or

, op your own , may differ from those here expressed , I hope the subject wil receive the benefit of your observations , and that of others , and I remain , Dear Sir and Brother , J . B ., TOUR NORTHERN CORRESPONDENT , PROV . G . T . Northumberland , Dec . 23 rd , 1861 .

TO THE EDITOR OF THE _ . _ . EE _ IASO _ . S MAGAZINE AJT _> 3 _ AS 0 _ ttC ____ REOIt . DEAB . SIB . AND BROTHER . —Being from home on the 23 rd November , the Magazine of that date was mislaid and it was not found till this clay . I therefore , only just saw P . M . 624 ' s letter on my motion to invest annually or biennally ¦ a sum of money towards the forming of every lod in

ge the province into perpetual governors of the Masonic charities . In reply , I beg to say that the scheme proposed by me was inserted in your report of the Prov . Grand Lodge of Emergency of the 5 th of March last , and the Prov . Grand Sec . and myself thought that bsending a of THE

y copy MAGAZINE , in which it was published to each of the lodges ofthe province , was fulfilling , if not the letter , at least the spirit of the resolution of the Provincial Grand Lodge of Emergency . The different lodges took the scheme into consideration , and some decided on requesting my attendance for some explanation , which I cheerfully gave and explained what

they wished explained , B ttt lodge 624 neither requested my jiresence nor asked for explanations , nor tried to understand my scheme ; but passed resolutions expressed in anything but courteous terms , requesting their representatives in Prov . Grand Lodge , to oppose my proposal . In proof of 624 not understanding the scheme , a P . M . of that lodge , ] ierhaps your correspondent , actually did not know the fund from which I proposed to raise the money , and had some foggy idea that it was the fund of benevolence ofthe

province ; a reference to its rules would have shown him that could not be touched . The reason why I did not proceed with my motion at the regular Prov . Grand Lodge was , not that I would not have succeeded to persuade the brethren present of the beneficial effect my proposal would have had ; or that the fund from which I intended to be applied for my proposal ,

perfectly free to be so employed , and that it was virtually under no control of anybody else but Prov . Grand Lodge , being the Fund of General Purposes , which is raised from the fees of honour of Prov . G . officers . But my reason for dropping my motion was partly the callousness shown by some of the lodges , while others warmly supported it , but were not in sufficient numberwithout further explanations

, , which I was ready to give , to carry the motion ; but , as was stated in your report , I got annoyed at the uncalled-for , ancl , what every one thought improper , interruptions of the D . Prov . G . M ., who , as was correctly reported in your MAGAZINE , unnecessarily called me to order in a manner that every one thought not only uncalled for , but far from courteous . For I was speaking on my motion , which I had

given notice of at the last regular meeting , and I was entering into some necessary explanations , which , if I had seen they were satisfactory to the Prov . Grand Lodge , I would have concluded with my motion , which would have increased the funds of the Charities ; and , if not approved , would have either modified or withdrawn my motion . But the manner and mode of the interruption was such that it

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annoyed me , and , under the circumstances , I thought it better to allow my motion to drop than create any dissension by retorting to a superior officer , although he was decidedly wrong in his call of order . I shall not abandon the Charities for all this , ancl I yet trust that I will see my project carried in some other shape . I will not ascribe uncharitable reasons for the opposition

I have experienced , but if P . M . 124 really will support the Charities , he has only to communicate with me ; I will do all I can to explain anything he cannot understand , and , if he wishes , to let him bring forward in any other shape my motion , provided the Charities get the benefit of it . I shall not care who has the honour to carry the proposition . I have been too long a Mason , and my experience has long

tought me that , provided good is done , never mind who has the credit of it ; and I can well afford that others should derive the benefit of my work . This would not have been the first time that I allowed my work to be appropriated by others , provided the Order benefitted by it . I remain , dear Sir and Brother , yours truly , JOHN BARKER , Prov . G-. Treas ., Northumberland . " Tb ' eweasth-on-Tyne , December 24 , 1861 .

The Temple And The Grand Conclave.

THE TEMPLE AND THE GRAND CONCLAVE .

TO THE EDITOR OF THE FEEE __ ASO _ iS' 1 _ A (_ AZI _ . E AXD -IASO .. IC HH-BOB . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —In your last number you state " on authority" in reference to the use of the Temple by Grand Conclave " that not only was the subject not brought under the consideration of the Board , but that the Temple was never applied for . " This statementwhile I do not imply any such intention

, on the part of the " authority , " would certainly lead most of your readers to a conclusion at variance with'the facts . The use of the Temple having been refused to the Metropolitan Chapter of the Rose Croix , some members of the Board of General Purposes , who are Knights Templar , apprehensive that the Grand Conclave would experience a similar refusal for the use of the Temple at their proposed

meeting ( lately past ) , brought the subject under the consideration of the Board of General Purposes , when , after much discussion , it was decided , in effect , that until Grand Lodge or the Board should rule otherwise , the use of the Temple should be confined to the purposes of Craft and Royal Arch Masonry . An amendment proposed to the effect that in consideration

of their having long had the privilege , the Grand Conclave should , without prejudice , be allowed to use the Temple at their next proposed meeting , was lost . These decisions of the Board of General Purposes having been pronounced , might naturally , and without any impropriety , be reported by the Knights present to their absent companionsand would as naturallprevent further

, y any application . If my recollection of the tenor of the motions is incorrect it can be set right by those ivho may think so sending you copies of the motions to which I have referred . I am , clear Sir and Brother , yours faithfully and fraternally , K . T .

THE NEW SIITKXA LITEHARV AND SCIENTIFIC INSTITUTION , which owes its origin mainly to our indefatigable Bro . Hyde Clarke , was opened on Thursday evening , the 28 th ult . The Impartial , of the 29 th reports the event as follows : — " The apartment was brilliantly illuminated , and the company numbered about two hundred persons . At nine o ' clock , the president Mr . Hyde Clarke took the chair , and delivered an eloquent discourse on the

advantages of the Institution , which was followed by an address from . Mr . Legal A'iee-Consul Logie . Mr . James Whittal , Dr . Mc Craith , and the Eev . Mr . Coull also delivered speeches . A vote of thanks to the president and the honorary secretary ( Mr . Tuson ) followed , after which the meeting broke up with the most agreeable impression left on the minds of all . The reading room was decorated with the flags of different nations , which th » — *" < iu 3 Consulates had lent for the occasion . "

“The Freemasons' Monthly Magazine: 1861-12-28, Page 5” Masonic Periodicals Online, Library and Museum of Freemasonry, 28 March 2023, www.masonicperiodicals.org/periodicals/mmr/issues/mmr_28121861/page/5/.
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NOTES ON LITERATURE, SCIENCE, AND ART. Article 2
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 4
THE TEMPLE AND THE GRAND CONCLAVE. Article 5
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 6
METROPOLITAN. Article 6
PROVINCIAL. Article 8
AUSTRALIA. Article 9
ROYAL ARCH. Article 10
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 10
MARK MASONRY. Article 10
MASONIC FESTIVITIES. Article 10
Obituary. Article 11
LINES, Article 11
THE WEEK. Article 11
SPECIAL NOTICE. Article 12
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 12
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Lodge . Unless , as stated at the end of Sec . 9 proposing members— " There be no other lodge in the vicinity of his dwelling of which he can become a member , he may be permitted to pay through the lodge in which he was initiated , the quarterly dues to the Fund of Benevolence . " But such payments ivould not constitute the Tyler or serving brother a member of that lodge . Therefore our

Bro . Davis ' s diction that Tylers cannot be considered servingbrethren cannot hold ; nor can we say with either the Deputy Prov . G . M . and Bro . Davis that tho Constitutions are not clear on this subject , although they might have been clearer . As other lodges may be labouring under the same doubts on this pointand as other brethren ' s inions or

, op your own , may differ from those here expressed , I hope the subject wil receive the benefit of your observations , and that of others , and I remain , Dear Sir and Brother , J . B ., TOUR NORTHERN CORRESPONDENT , PROV . G . T . Northumberland , Dec . 23 rd , 1861 .

TO THE EDITOR OF THE _ . _ . EE _ IASO _ . S MAGAZINE AJT _> 3 _ AS 0 _ ttC ____ REOIt . DEAB . SIB . AND BROTHER . —Being from home on the 23 rd November , the Magazine of that date was mislaid and it was not found till this clay . I therefore , only just saw P . M . 624 ' s letter on my motion to invest annually or biennally ¦ a sum of money towards the forming of every lod in

ge the province into perpetual governors of the Masonic charities . In reply , I beg to say that the scheme proposed by me was inserted in your report of the Prov . Grand Lodge of Emergency of the 5 th of March last , and the Prov . Grand Sec . and myself thought that bsending a of THE

y copy MAGAZINE , in which it was published to each of the lodges ofthe province , was fulfilling , if not the letter , at least the spirit of the resolution of the Provincial Grand Lodge of Emergency . The different lodges took the scheme into consideration , and some decided on requesting my attendance for some explanation , which I cheerfully gave and explained what

they wished explained , B ttt lodge 624 neither requested my jiresence nor asked for explanations , nor tried to understand my scheme ; but passed resolutions expressed in anything but courteous terms , requesting their representatives in Prov . Grand Lodge , to oppose my proposal . In proof of 624 not understanding the scheme , a P . M . of that lodge , ] ierhaps your correspondent , actually did not know the fund from which I proposed to raise the money , and had some foggy idea that it was the fund of benevolence ofthe

province ; a reference to its rules would have shown him that could not be touched . The reason why I did not proceed with my motion at the regular Prov . Grand Lodge was , not that I would not have succeeded to persuade the brethren present of the beneficial effect my proposal would have had ; or that the fund from which I intended to be applied for my proposal ,

perfectly free to be so employed , and that it was virtually under no control of anybody else but Prov . Grand Lodge , being the Fund of General Purposes , which is raised from the fees of honour of Prov . G . officers . But my reason for dropping my motion was partly the callousness shown by some of the lodges , while others warmly supported it , but were not in sufficient numberwithout further explanations

, , which I was ready to give , to carry the motion ; but , as was stated in your report , I got annoyed at the uncalled-for , ancl , what every one thought improper , interruptions of the D . Prov . G . M ., who , as was correctly reported in your MAGAZINE , unnecessarily called me to order in a manner that every one thought not only uncalled for , but far from courteous . For I was speaking on my motion , which I had

given notice of at the last regular meeting , and I was entering into some necessary explanations , which , if I had seen they were satisfactory to the Prov . Grand Lodge , I would have concluded with my motion , which would have increased the funds of the Charities ; and , if not approved , would have either modified or withdrawn my motion . But the manner and mode of the interruption was such that it

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annoyed me , and , under the circumstances , I thought it better to allow my motion to drop than create any dissension by retorting to a superior officer , although he was decidedly wrong in his call of order . I shall not abandon the Charities for all this , ancl I yet trust that I will see my project carried in some other shape . I will not ascribe uncharitable reasons for the opposition

I have experienced , but if P . M . 124 really will support the Charities , he has only to communicate with me ; I will do all I can to explain anything he cannot understand , and , if he wishes , to let him bring forward in any other shape my motion , provided the Charities get the benefit of it . I shall not care who has the honour to carry the proposition . I have been too long a Mason , and my experience has long

tought me that , provided good is done , never mind who has the credit of it ; and I can well afford that others should derive the benefit of my work . This would not have been the first time that I allowed my work to be appropriated by others , provided the Order benefitted by it . I remain , dear Sir and Brother , yours truly , JOHN BARKER , Prov . G-. Treas ., Northumberland . " Tb ' eweasth-on-Tyne , December 24 , 1861 .

The Temple And The Grand Conclave.

THE TEMPLE AND THE GRAND CONCLAVE .

TO THE EDITOR OF THE FEEE __ ASO _ iS' 1 _ A (_ AZI _ . E AXD -IASO .. IC HH-BOB . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —In your last number you state " on authority" in reference to the use of the Temple by Grand Conclave " that not only was the subject not brought under the consideration of the Board , but that the Temple was never applied for . " This statementwhile I do not imply any such intention

, on the part of the " authority , " would certainly lead most of your readers to a conclusion at variance with'the facts . The use of the Temple having been refused to the Metropolitan Chapter of the Rose Croix , some members of the Board of General Purposes , who are Knights Templar , apprehensive that the Grand Conclave would experience a similar refusal for the use of the Temple at their proposed

meeting ( lately past ) , brought the subject under the consideration of the Board of General Purposes , when , after much discussion , it was decided , in effect , that until Grand Lodge or the Board should rule otherwise , the use of the Temple should be confined to the purposes of Craft and Royal Arch Masonry . An amendment proposed to the effect that in consideration

of their having long had the privilege , the Grand Conclave should , without prejudice , be allowed to use the Temple at their next proposed meeting , was lost . These decisions of the Board of General Purposes having been pronounced , might naturally , and without any impropriety , be reported by the Knights present to their absent companionsand would as naturallprevent further

, y any application . If my recollection of the tenor of the motions is incorrect it can be set right by those ivho may think so sending you copies of the motions to which I have referred . I am , clear Sir and Brother , yours faithfully and fraternally , K . T .

THE NEW SIITKXA LITEHARV AND SCIENTIFIC INSTITUTION , which owes its origin mainly to our indefatigable Bro . Hyde Clarke , was opened on Thursday evening , the 28 th ult . The Impartial , of the 29 th reports the event as follows : — " The apartment was brilliantly illuminated , and the company numbered about two hundred persons . At nine o ' clock , the president Mr . Hyde Clarke took the chair , and delivered an eloquent discourse on the

advantages of the Institution , which was followed by an address from . Mr . Legal A'iee-Consul Logie . Mr . James Whittal , Dr . Mc Craith , and the Eev . Mr . Coull also delivered speeches . A vote of thanks to the president and the honorary secretary ( Mr . Tuson ) followed , after which the meeting broke up with the most agreeable impression left on the minds of all . The reading room was decorated with the flags of different nations , which th » — *" < iu 3 Consulates had lent for the occasion . "

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