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INSTALLATION OFH.R.H.THEPRINCEOFWALES As the M . W . G . M . of England , AT THE ROYAL ALBERT HALL , 28 th APRIL 1875 . COPIES of this BEAUTIFUL ENGRAVING by Brother HARTY P . M ., consisting of Artist ' s Proofs , Proofs before Letters , and Lettered Proofs , India Prints , and Plain Prints may be had at Cost Price by applying to Bro . W . R . NORRIS , 2 y Southampton Buildings , W . C , London .
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Correspondence.
CORRESPONDENCE .
GIVE TO EVERY MAN" HIS JUST DUE .
To the Editor of the FHEEHASON ' S CHKONICLE . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —After perusing the three reports of tbe Quatuor Coronati Lodge , I came to the conclusion that Bro . Speth ' s paper on the Steinmetz Theory is decidedly the best paper read before the said Lodge during the first three years of its
existence . But , nevertheless , I find that our good Bro , Speth can make mistakes too , and as no one seems disposed to find fault with him , I am reluctantly compelled , as it were , to point out his error ; thns , in part 3 rd , page 131 , of the Quatuor Coronati Proceedings , ' Bro . Speth says ,
" In Bro . Findel's Bauhiitte of the 4 th of February 1888 , appears a long article devoted to the ' Verein Deutscher Maurer , ' and tbe 'Neuer Lessingbuud . ' . . . We extract one paragraph because it touches us nearly . In speaking of the older organization , the writer attributes to it tho following merits , viz ., but pre-eminently the
successful mission to England ( of Bro . Findel ) which not only nettled the question of the York Charter ( Krause ' s MS . so-called ) and furnished many historical results , but was , above all , the impulse which first impelled England to the study of Masonio History , and ushered in the intellectual movement which resulted in the writings
of Bros . Hnghan , Lyon , Gould , and others . " ° To which our critic adds , " It is highly amusing to witness our worthy brother pluming himself such
on glorions results , but we aro afraid he is mistaken . lie ( Bro . Findel ) visited England in 1864 , and we believe never saw either Hughan or Gould . Bro . Hnghan was not initiated till 1863 , and began to publish Masoincally the very next year ( Cornwall Calendar ) .
Correspondence.
Bro . Gould was in China in 1860-1865 , and hia contributions to the Masonic Journa ' s clato from 1858 , in which year also he published two Lectures read before the Provincial Grand Lodge of Andalusia , and tho Inhabitants' Lodge , Gibraltar , respectively . Findel ' s History ( German edition ) could have had no influence on them , aa neither
brother reads the ( German ) language , and his English edition ia dated 1869 , by whioh time Hughan was well known . . . and we think a glance at our Masonio periodicals will prove to onr brother thafc there were Masonic Students in England before he visited ns , dnring his visit , and afterwards . Lyon had established his reputation aa a
Masonic Antiquary and Scholar on a firm basis , by ( nofc to speak of minor efforts ) his history of Mother Kilwinning , in 1862 , & o . " Bro . Speth however further adds , " That Bro . Findel ' s services to Masonic sfcndy have been great , we shall be the last to deny , but he really must not claim the credit
of having been the founder of our present British School of Craffc writers , & o . " Now , with all due respect to Bro . Speth , ifc seems that he knows less of English Masonio literature of the seventh decade of thia century than he does about German Masonio literature in general
Bro . Findel visited England in 1864 , and we believe ( says Bro . Speth ) that he never saw either Hughan or Gonld . Hughan was nofc initiated before 1863 and began to publish Masonically the next year . . . Bro . Gould was in China in 1860 . 1865 , and his contributions . . . data from 1858 , & o ., all which is doubtless true . Bufc fche question is , how
much are the Masonio writings of Bros . Gould and Hughan of thafc period worth ? I confess that I never saw the productions of Bros . Gould and Hnghan referred to by Bro . Speth , bat I venture to say , that if the said writings referred to Masonic history , fchey must be decidedly faulty : that is , their knowledge of Masonic history mnst
have been then derived exclusively from the writings of Anderson , Preston , Oliver and Co . In short , I firmly believe that oar two distinguished English brethren , before they read Findel's History of Freemasonry , were as much steeped and enveloped in the then foggy state of Masonio history as I was .
Bat , says Bro . Speth , " Finders History ( German edition ) conld have had no influence on them ( Gould and Hughan ) , as neither brother reads the German language , and his English edition ia dated 1869 , by which time Hughan waa well known . " Bnt in the first place , the first English edition of Findel's History
of Masonry appeared ( not in 1869 but ) in 1866 . And second , the name of Findel was known to English Masons certainly aa early aa 1861 Thus , in the " Freemason ' s Magazine and Masonio Mirror , " vol . 5 , pages 61 and 62 , there is a great deal written about Findel ' s new History . In vol . 6 of the said Journal , page 232 , Findel was attacked
by a fanatical high degreer , viz ., H . M . Shnttleworth 30 ° , becanse Findel ridiculed ail kinds of high degrees . On pages 269 , 270 , the late Bro . Woodford defended Bro . Findel , and referred to the high degrees as the result of charlatanism . See also pages 311-12 , a reply to Woodford , and on page 322 , there is a reply to Woodford
by Matthew Cooke 30 ° , and on page 386 another reply or comment by A . In vol . 7 of fche said Masonic Magazine , on page 401 , there is something about Findel ' s History . In vol . 8 of the said Magazine , Bro . Speth will find controversies which Findel's History
gave rise to , on the following pages , viz ., 23 , 43 , 61 , 84 , 85 , 86 , 87 , 101 , 105 , 121 , 128 , 141 , 146 , 190 , 206 , 401 . The lasfc I believe was a Biography of Bro . Findel , and on page 465 ia a paragraph headed , " Antiquity of fche Rose Croix degree , " and the writer
says , " Allow me to protest against such sweeping assertions as those of Bro . Findel , when the merest tyro knows that in England ifc was practised in another form centuries before . Our bigoted brother will next assert that there is no proof before 1760 of the
existence of the Templar Order . —A . " Now , all the above discussions took place in 1862 , hence Bro , Hughan had ample means , before he wrote Masonically , to learn some facts from Bro . Findel's History . Next I refer Bro . Speth to Bro . D . M . Lyon ' s preface to the
1869 edition of Bro . Findel ' s History ,- this itself ought to satisfy any one that Bro . Findel revolutionised Masonic history . In short , it is my firm belief that if Findel ' s History had never appeared , that Bros . Gould , Hnghan , and Speth too , would have floundered to-day
in the same ocean of darkness as Bro . Findel ' s predecessors , as well as his high degree antagonists did . Bro . Findel is therefore fully justified in claiming that his History , " nshered in the intellectual movement which resulted in the writings of Brothers Hughan , Lyon , Gonld , and others . "
Fraternally yours , JACOB NORTON . Boston , U . S ., 26 fch June 1888 .
ROYAL MASONIC INSTITUTION FOR BOYS .
To the Editor of the FREEMASON s CHRONICLE . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —Tbe figures which have been compiled and published by Bro . Greatbatch , I . P . M . of the Menturia Lodge , No . 418 , surely are a very serious charge against the management of this Institution . He openly states tbat
the average cost per Boy was £ 50 16 s , whilst the management state the cost to have been £ 41 13 s lOd . Either one allegation or the other is untrue , and it is due to the Subscribers to know upon whoso shoulders the inaccuracy rests . Bro . Greatbatch ' s statement is no _ an anonymous one , and if his figures have no foundation iu fact tho
management can readily bring him to book . The annexed letter from W . Bro . Frank James , who is an authority upon such matters , from the fact that he has laboured long and zealously in the interest
of the Charities , having been one of tho founders of the S . anbrdahire Masonic Charitable Association , and for many years its President , shows that the idea of extravagance being prevalent is nofc restricted to one individual , and letters havo been received from adjoiuing Pro-
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GREATWESTERNRAILWAY. WEEKLY EXCURSIONS to WEST of ENGLAND and WEYMOUTH . On EVERY SATURDAY until further notice , EXCURSION TRAINS will leave PADDINGTON as under : — At 8-5 a . m ., for ILFRACOMBE , EXETER , Dawlish , Teignmouth , Torquay , Plymouth , Penzance , _ . c ., to Return following Monday , Monday Week or Fortnight . At 10-15 a . m ., for NEWBURY , Marlborough , Devizes , Trowbridge , YEO VIL DORCHESTER , WEYMOUTH , 4 c , to Return following Monday Week or Fortnight . At 12-15 p . m ., for BATH , BRISTOL , Clovedon , Weston-super-Mare , Bridgwater , Minehead , TAUNTON , Ac ., to Return following Monday , Monday Week or Fortnight . Passengers can in most cases , on payment of 20 per cent , on tho fares , return on the intervening Saturdays or Sundays during iho timo thoir tickets are available . Bills can bo obtained at tho Company ' s Stations and Offices . HY . LAMBERT , General Manager .
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INSTALLATION OFH.R.H.THEPRINCEOFWALES As the M . W . G . M . of England , AT THE ROYAL ALBERT HALL , 28 th APRIL 1875 . COPIES of this BEAUTIFUL ENGRAVING by Brother HARTY P . M ., consisting of Artist ' s Proofs , Proofs before Letters , and Lettered Proofs , India Prints , and Plain Prints may be had at Cost Price by applying to Bro . W . R . NORRIS , 2 y Southampton Buildings , W . C , London .
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tPAINE&CO.,BREWERS, ST . NEOTS , HUNTS . j LONDON STORES : HORNSEY STATION , N . QjVPPLY ALE and STOUT , in Small __ J Casks or Bottles , to all p . rts of London and Suburbs . Messrs . PAINE ancl Co . guarantee all their Ales and Stouts to be brewed from Malt ancl Hops solely , and as a proof of tho excellence of their Beers , refer to tho gold and other Medals which have been awarded them . Price J . PEARSON , at the London Stores , HORNSEY STATION , N .
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Correspondence.
CORRESPONDENCE .
GIVE TO EVERY MAN" HIS JUST DUE .
To the Editor of the FHEEHASON ' S CHKONICLE . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —After perusing the three reports of tbe Quatuor Coronati Lodge , I came to the conclusion that Bro . Speth ' s paper on the Steinmetz Theory is decidedly the best paper read before the said Lodge during the first three years of its
existence . But , nevertheless , I find that our good Bro , Speth can make mistakes too , and as no one seems disposed to find fault with him , I am reluctantly compelled , as it were , to point out his error ; thns , in part 3 rd , page 131 , of the Quatuor Coronati Proceedings , ' Bro . Speth says ,
" In Bro . Findel's Bauhiitte of the 4 th of February 1888 , appears a long article devoted to the ' Verein Deutscher Maurer , ' and tbe 'Neuer Lessingbuud . ' . . . We extract one paragraph because it touches us nearly . In speaking of the older organization , the writer attributes to it tho following merits , viz ., but pre-eminently the
successful mission to England ( of Bro . Findel ) which not only nettled the question of the York Charter ( Krause ' s MS . so-called ) and furnished many historical results , but was , above all , the impulse which first impelled England to the study of Masonio History , and ushered in the intellectual movement which resulted in the writings
of Bros . Hnghan , Lyon , Gould , and others . " ° To which our critic adds , " It is highly amusing to witness our worthy brother pluming himself such
on glorions results , but we aro afraid he is mistaken . lie ( Bro . Findel ) visited England in 1864 , and we believe never saw either Hughan or Gould . Bro . Hnghan was not initiated till 1863 , and began to publish Masoincally the very next year ( Cornwall Calendar ) .
Correspondence.
Bro . Gould was in China in 1860-1865 , and hia contributions to the Masonic Journa ' s clato from 1858 , in which year also he published two Lectures read before the Provincial Grand Lodge of Andalusia , and tho Inhabitants' Lodge , Gibraltar , respectively . Findel ' s History ( German edition ) could have had no influence on them , aa neither
brother reads the ( German ) language , and his English edition ia dated 1869 , by whioh time Hughan was well known . . . and we think a glance at our Masonio periodicals will prove to onr brother thafc there were Masonic Students in England before he visited ns , dnring his visit , and afterwards . Lyon had established his reputation aa a
Masonic Antiquary and Scholar on a firm basis , by ( nofc to speak of minor efforts ) his history of Mother Kilwinning , in 1862 , & o . " Bro . Speth however further adds , " That Bro . Findel ' s services to Masonic sfcndy have been great , we shall be the last to deny , but he really must not claim the credit
of having been the founder of our present British School of Craffc writers , & o . " Now , with all due respect to Bro . Speth , ifc seems that he knows less of English Masonio literature of the seventh decade of thia century than he does about German Masonio literature in general
Bro . Findel visited England in 1864 , and we believe ( says Bro . Speth ) that he never saw either Hughan or Gonld . Hughan was nofc initiated before 1863 and began to publish Masonically the next year . . . Bro . Gould was in China in 1860 . 1865 , and his contributions . . . data from 1858 , & o ., all which is doubtless true . Bufc fche question is , how
much are the Masonio writings of Bros . Gould and Hughan of thafc period worth ? I confess that I never saw the productions of Bros . Gould and Hnghan referred to by Bro . Speth , bat I venture to say , that if the said writings referred to Masonic history , fchey must be decidedly faulty : that is , their knowledge of Masonic history mnst
have been then derived exclusively from the writings of Anderson , Preston , Oliver and Co . In short , I firmly believe that oar two distinguished English brethren , before they read Findel's History of Freemasonry , were as much steeped and enveloped in the then foggy state of Masonio history as I was .
Bat , says Bro . Speth , " Finders History ( German edition ) conld have had no influence on them ( Gould and Hughan ) , as neither brother reads the German language , and his English edition ia dated 1869 , by which time Hughan waa well known . " Bnt in the first place , the first English edition of Findel's History
of Masonry appeared ( not in 1869 but ) in 1866 . And second , the name of Findel was known to English Masons certainly aa early aa 1861 Thus , in the " Freemason ' s Magazine and Masonio Mirror , " vol . 5 , pages 61 and 62 , there is a great deal written about Findel ' s new History . In vol . 6 of the said Journal , page 232 , Findel was attacked
by a fanatical high degreer , viz ., H . M . Shnttleworth 30 ° , becanse Findel ridiculed ail kinds of high degrees . On pages 269 , 270 , the late Bro . Woodford defended Bro . Findel , and referred to the high degrees as the result of charlatanism . See also pages 311-12 , a reply to Woodford , and on page 322 , there is a reply to Woodford
by Matthew Cooke 30 ° , and on page 386 another reply or comment by A . In vol . 7 of fche said Masonic Magazine , on page 401 , there is something about Findel ' s History . In vol . 8 of the said Magazine , Bro . Speth will find controversies which Findel's History
gave rise to , on the following pages , viz ., 23 , 43 , 61 , 84 , 85 , 86 , 87 , 101 , 105 , 121 , 128 , 141 , 146 , 190 , 206 , 401 . The lasfc I believe was a Biography of Bro . Findel , and on page 465 ia a paragraph headed , " Antiquity of fche Rose Croix degree , " and the writer
says , " Allow me to protest against such sweeping assertions as those of Bro . Findel , when the merest tyro knows that in England ifc was practised in another form centuries before . Our bigoted brother will next assert that there is no proof before 1760 of the
existence of the Templar Order . —A . " Now , all the above discussions took place in 1862 , hence Bro , Hughan had ample means , before he wrote Masonically , to learn some facts from Bro . Findel's History . Next I refer Bro . Speth to Bro . D . M . Lyon ' s preface to the
1869 edition of Bro . Findel ' s History ,- this itself ought to satisfy any one that Bro . Findel revolutionised Masonic history . In short , it is my firm belief that if Findel ' s History had never appeared , that Bros . Gould , Hnghan , and Speth too , would have floundered to-day
in the same ocean of darkness as Bro . Findel ' s predecessors , as well as his high degree antagonists did . Bro . Findel is therefore fully justified in claiming that his History , " nshered in the intellectual movement which resulted in the writings of Brothers Hughan , Lyon , Gonld , and others . "
Fraternally yours , JACOB NORTON . Boston , U . S ., 26 fch June 1888 .
ROYAL MASONIC INSTITUTION FOR BOYS .
To the Editor of the FREEMASON s CHRONICLE . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —Tbe figures which have been compiled and published by Bro . Greatbatch , I . P . M . of the Menturia Lodge , No . 418 , surely are a very serious charge against the management of this Institution . He openly states tbat
the average cost per Boy was £ 50 16 s , whilst the management state the cost to have been £ 41 13 s lOd . Either one allegation or the other is untrue , and it is due to the Subscribers to know upon whoso shoulders the inaccuracy rests . Bro . Greatbatch ' s statement is no _ an anonymous one , and if his figures have no foundation iu fact tho
management can readily bring him to book . The annexed letter from W . Bro . Frank James , who is an authority upon such matters , from the fact that he has laboured long and zealously in the interest
of the Charities , having been one of tho founders of the S . anbrdahire Masonic Charitable Association , and for many years its President , shows that the idea of extravagance being prevalent is nofc restricted to one individual , and letters havo been received from adjoiuing Pro-