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The Stuarts And Freemasonry.
necked with the order , but they will not be pilloried in your pages . The French " Ordre-du-Temple " assert that Ramsay ' s instructor Fenelon , was one of their members . In conclusion , if Mr . Pinkerton will oblige me with proof that the Lord Athol ( sic ) mentioned by the Duke of Perth in a letter to Lord
Ggilvy was not in Scotland in September , 1745 , 1 shall be glad to give it due weight , and thank him for the same . JOHN YAEKEE .
Masonic Notes And Queries.
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES .
THE ROYAL ARCH AND THE MARK " DEGREE . " At page 93 , Bro . Binckes styles the Royal Arch degree as " a degree , by the way , of modern origin as compared with the Mark . '' I challenge his authority for that assertion , and am quite prepared to believe the Mark Degree to be considerabl than the
y younger Royal Arch Degree ; however , if he can prove the " " 'Mark Degree " to have been worked before 1730 , by all means give us the proof . An operative masou ' s mark is rather different from the " Mark Dearee . "W . P . B .
FIAT LUX" AND " ROYAL ARCH MASONRY . " In order to elucidate the truth , I have no objection io _ enter the lists as an opponent , in a friendly manner , with " Fiat Lux , " if he ' will either sign his own name to the articles from his pen , or send me his name aud address privatel y . I have an objection otherwise to
engage in the discussion now started between him and " Res Non Verba " without this being done , and I will explain why to " Fiat Lux" when he writes me . —W . J . HtTGUTAJr , Truro , Cornwall .
DOCTRINES AND CHURCHES . ( p . 8 S ) . Desaguliers aud Co . manufactured not only the ' doctrines , ' ' but also set up churches in which they might be preached . At first they largely used the Old material of other buildings , but that not sufficing , entirely new edifices were erected . In some cases ,
however , we find an old structure in situ used for the purpose of " preaching " the new " doctrine , " just as e . g . an old Jewish synagogue might he used as a Christian church . Desaguliers and Co . were therefore the authors of our Speculative Masonry , as well as of its English organisation . —W . P . B .
RES NON VERBA" AND " FIAT LUX . '' I have not the time to consider the random shots of " Fiat Lux . " Auyone who knows the history of the Eoyal _ Areh will be aware that the statements made by " Fiat Lux" are most erroneous . —RES NON VERBA .
LODGES OF GERMANY AND SCOTLAND . ( p . 88 ) . Previous to the Reformation the Masons were good Catholics , just the same as other crafts , and all alike had their particular patron saints . The Masons were simply common workmen or "labourers , " just as the wrights or others , and so far as "science"is concernedthe wriht is probablthe more scientific of
, g y the two . Pure imagination has raised the Mason as a wonderful genius , high above his fellow tradesmen ! which close inspection will anything but warrant . Germany and Scotland traded largely together several centuries ago .-See the "Burgh Records . " extracts I published lately . —W . P . B .
Masonic Notes And Queries.
" RES NON VEEBA" AND " HOLZ . I certainly misunderstood "Holz" respecting " a form of high grade Masonry , " as I thought he referred to the three Craft degrees , and not the lioyal Arch . My remarks , therefore , are cleaily unsuitable , under the circumstances , and consequently I withdraw them , so far as their application to the letter by " Holz" is concerned . —RES NON VEEBA .
CHARLES EDWARD AT LONGNOE . ( p . 67 ) . Who is " John Sleigh " who asserts that in 1745 Charles Edward , as Grand Master , signed a warrant of a Derbyshire lodge ? And where is said warrant now ? Also cause it , if in existence , to be shown to competent authority , so that we may he properly advised of its genuineness , if it be genuine ? I do not admit the pretended " fact " uutil I know more about it . —W . P . B .
MEXICO . The two Supreme Councils having united in Mexico wish to keep the power in the hands of the members of the 83 ° , but the lodges in Mexico having protested , require the constitutions of a Grand Lodge , to which , after some resistance , the Supreme Council will have to submit . —NOTA .
THE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE . A brother , member of Grand Lodge , asks what I think of the Freemasons' Magazine . Had my brother read certain contributions to that periodical in years not very long gone by , he would not have asked the question . However that he may not have the trouble
of looking through indexes , he shall know what I think . He shall have my opinion , but not , as he desires , my private opiuion . He shall have my public opinion . My opinion , then is , tbe Freemasons' Magazine is a diamond mine for brothers who possess it in its entirety , and will diligently examine its contents . —CHARLES PUETON COOPER .
CONTEOVEESY . In all kinds o f literary Controversy , to point out that an opponent has ascribed to you something that you have uot written , commonly tends only to the embitterment of the controversy . The effect of this misrepresentation is but temporary , and he is not a wise man who does not bear it patiently . —A PAST PBOT 1 NC 1 AL GRAND MASTEE .
GRAND LODGE OF HAMBURGH . The Grand Lodge of Hamburgh , founded in 1741 , one of the oldest and steadiest Grand Lodges of the continent , and which ruled over 21 lodges , is finally extinct . It continued after the fall of the kingdom in 1 SG 6 , and the retreat of the G . M ., King George the
Fifth , uutil 1 S 68 . The injudicious conduct of the king in thwarting the lodges , and refusing to concur in reasonable arrangements , compelled the King of Prussians protector of Masonry in his dominions , to require the Hanoverian lodges to join one of the three Prussian Grand Lodgesaccording to lawandexcept
, , , four , they have joined the Royal York Grand Lodge on favourable terms . It is deeply to be regretted that their constitution is now less liberal . They admitted Jews —N who are refused by the Prussian Grand Lodges . OTA .
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The Stuarts And Freemasonry.
necked with the order , but they will not be pilloried in your pages . The French " Ordre-du-Temple " assert that Ramsay ' s instructor Fenelon , was one of their members . In conclusion , if Mr . Pinkerton will oblige me with proof that the Lord Athol ( sic ) mentioned by the Duke of Perth in a letter to Lord
Ggilvy was not in Scotland in September , 1745 , 1 shall be glad to give it due weight , and thank him for the same . JOHN YAEKEE .
Masonic Notes And Queries.
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES .
THE ROYAL ARCH AND THE MARK " DEGREE . " At page 93 , Bro . Binckes styles the Royal Arch degree as " a degree , by the way , of modern origin as compared with the Mark . '' I challenge his authority for that assertion , and am quite prepared to believe the Mark Degree to be considerabl than the
y younger Royal Arch Degree ; however , if he can prove the " " 'Mark Degree " to have been worked before 1730 , by all means give us the proof . An operative masou ' s mark is rather different from the " Mark Dearee . "W . P . B .
FIAT LUX" AND " ROYAL ARCH MASONRY . " In order to elucidate the truth , I have no objection io _ enter the lists as an opponent , in a friendly manner , with " Fiat Lux , " if he ' will either sign his own name to the articles from his pen , or send me his name aud address privatel y . I have an objection otherwise to
engage in the discussion now started between him and " Res Non Verba " without this being done , and I will explain why to " Fiat Lux" when he writes me . —W . J . HtTGUTAJr , Truro , Cornwall .
DOCTRINES AND CHURCHES . ( p . 8 S ) . Desaguliers aud Co . manufactured not only the ' doctrines , ' ' but also set up churches in which they might be preached . At first they largely used the Old material of other buildings , but that not sufficing , entirely new edifices were erected . In some cases ,
however , we find an old structure in situ used for the purpose of " preaching " the new " doctrine , " just as e . g . an old Jewish synagogue might he used as a Christian church . Desaguliers and Co . were therefore the authors of our Speculative Masonry , as well as of its English organisation . —W . P . B .
RES NON VERBA" AND " FIAT LUX . '' I have not the time to consider the random shots of " Fiat Lux . " Auyone who knows the history of the Eoyal _ Areh will be aware that the statements made by " Fiat Lux" are most erroneous . —RES NON VERBA .
LODGES OF GERMANY AND SCOTLAND . ( p . 88 ) . Previous to the Reformation the Masons were good Catholics , just the same as other crafts , and all alike had their particular patron saints . The Masons were simply common workmen or "labourers , " just as the wrights or others , and so far as "science"is concernedthe wriht is probablthe more scientific of
, g y the two . Pure imagination has raised the Mason as a wonderful genius , high above his fellow tradesmen ! which close inspection will anything but warrant . Germany and Scotland traded largely together several centuries ago .-See the "Burgh Records . " extracts I published lately . —W . P . B .
Masonic Notes And Queries.
" RES NON VEEBA" AND " HOLZ . I certainly misunderstood "Holz" respecting " a form of high grade Masonry , " as I thought he referred to the three Craft degrees , and not the lioyal Arch . My remarks , therefore , are cleaily unsuitable , under the circumstances , and consequently I withdraw them , so far as their application to the letter by " Holz" is concerned . —RES NON VEEBA .
CHARLES EDWARD AT LONGNOE . ( p . 67 ) . Who is " John Sleigh " who asserts that in 1745 Charles Edward , as Grand Master , signed a warrant of a Derbyshire lodge ? And where is said warrant now ? Also cause it , if in existence , to be shown to competent authority , so that we may he properly advised of its genuineness , if it be genuine ? I do not admit the pretended " fact " uutil I know more about it . —W . P . B .
MEXICO . The two Supreme Councils having united in Mexico wish to keep the power in the hands of the members of the 83 ° , but the lodges in Mexico having protested , require the constitutions of a Grand Lodge , to which , after some resistance , the Supreme Council will have to submit . —NOTA .
THE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE . A brother , member of Grand Lodge , asks what I think of the Freemasons' Magazine . Had my brother read certain contributions to that periodical in years not very long gone by , he would not have asked the question . However that he may not have the trouble
of looking through indexes , he shall know what I think . He shall have my opinion , but not , as he desires , my private opiuion . He shall have my public opinion . My opinion , then is , tbe Freemasons' Magazine is a diamond mine for brothers who possess it in its entirety , and will diligently examine its contents . —CHARLES PUETON COOPER .
CONTEOVEESY . In all kinds o f literary Controversy , to point out that an opponent has ascribed to you something that you have uot written , commonly tends only to the embitterment of the controversy . The effect of this misrepresentation is but temporary , and he is not a wise man who does not bear it patiently . —A PAST PBOT 1 NC 1 AL GRAND MASTEE .
GRAND LODGE OF HAMBURGH . The Grand Lodge of Hamburgh , founded in 1741 , one of the oldest and steadiest Grand Lodges of the continent , and which ruled over 21 lodges , is finally extinct . It continued after the fall of the kingdom in 1 SG 6 , and the retreat of the G . M ., King George the
Fifth , uutil 1 S 68 . The injudicious conduct of the king in thwarting the lodges , and refusing to concur in reasonable arrangements , compelled the King of Prussians protector of Masonry in his dominions , to require the Hanoverian lodges to join one of the three Prussian Grand Lodgesaccording to lawandexcept
, , , four , they have joined the Royal York Grand Lodge on favourable terms . It is deeply to be regretted that their constitution is now less liberal . They admitted Jews —N who are refused by the Prussian Grand Lodges . OTA .