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Masonic Notes And Queries.
TABLE 0 E OLD SCOTTISH MONET . 2 pennies = 1 hodle = ? , d . sterling . 4 clo . = 1 plaelc = Jd . do . 6 do . = 1 bawbee = id . do . 12 clo . , = 1 shilling = Id . clo . 20 shillings = 1 pound = 20 d . clo . 13 shillings and 4 pennies = 1 merk = 13 J-d . clo . It therefore takes 12 pounds Scots to make one pound sterling . —TV . P . B .
GOTHIC AECHITECTHBE . —EIEST POINTED STTLE . When glancing over lately Mr . Charles TVickes ' work on "Sp ires and Towers , " 1853 , the following remarks caught my eye , which I quote , viz ., — "To England belongs the honour of its ( Early English , or Pirst Pointed Style ) first invention and full
development , and to England must the foreign architect repair who would study to advantage the charming details of this earliest specimen of Gothic art . In Normandy , indeed , doubtless from the close political connection between the two countries , examples occur which do not differ materially fromand in many
, respects are perfectly identical with , the buildings of our own land . But in other countries the Geometrical Decorated , which is nest to engage our attention , succeeded , without any intermediate link , to the Eomanesque . " —TV . P . BUCHAN .
EEEEHASONEY 152 XEAES OLD . If there be any reliable documentary evidence of the existence of Preemasonry previous to what is designated , the revival of A . D . 1717 , I should much like to know of it ? If there be no such reliable evidence extant , I would be inclined to infer that Preemasonry is not more than 152 years old . Purther , England is the Mother * of Freemasonry . —TV . P . BUCHAN .
THE EOSE CEOIX TEACING-EOABD , & C . ( p . 4 ante ) . The defect in this sketch , to which " Pictus " has kindly called attention at page 46 , arises either from my having incorrectly copied my original draft , or from a misapprehension on the part of the engraver . The suggestion of " Pictus " in regard to the Doric
Column is perfectly correct . If the Pose Croix can be traced to its constitution as a Christian Degree a most important point will be gained ; I am as anxious for information on tbe subject as J . W . M ., to whose query ( p . 30 ) I may reply that great similarity exists between the English and
foreign modes of working this degree - , the landmarks being , in nearly all cases identical . The errors ix the Latin sentences— -to which attention has been called by a ' * Constant Eeader " ( p . 31 ) —have arisen from a misprint . It would necessarily be Natura Renovatur & c . Novenitur has also usurped
, the place of Invenitur . —DNALXO . J . A . H . AND OUE EOYAL PAST _ G . M . J . A . H . has much relieved my mind , hut I do not find in Grand Lodge meetings any evidence that H . E . H . the Prince of "Wales has had the rank of a
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Past Grand Master conferred upon him as yet , nor do I feel certain that he "is to have " it . It is to be trusted that such a ] iroposition of J . A . H ., or any one else , will never be carried out by the members of Grand Lodge , but that H . E . H . will be brought into our ranks in a legitimate way as G . M . or as GEAND PATEON . —A NEW MEMBEE .
" NOTA" AND " LIST OE LODGES , 1765 . " It was not correct" that , up to 1765 , all the English lodges have public-house designations , and the foreign lodges alone have symbolic titles , " although "Nota ' ' says so . In proof of which I would refer " Nota " to No . 55 held in a " private room at Bolton ; " also
, No . 176 , Bedruth ; No . 274 , at Appledore ; No . 289 , at Workington ; No . 302 , at Stubbington ; No . 305 , at Burnley ; No . 306 , at Spitafields ; No . 321 , at Snowsfields , and several other lodges held at" coffeehouses . " A century ago the movement had commenced to leave the public-housesand thanks beat
, , the present time , the majority of the chief lodges in England either meet in their own halls or in private rooms . In a list of lodges that I have ( published A . D . 1767 , by E . Trewman , Exeter ) , there are several more mentioned that do not accept public-house designations ; ancl in lists of lodges in my possession
some 30 years earlier , there are also several that meet in private rooms . I should have no objections to their being printed any time in the Freemasons Magazine , as such rolls of lodges are of considerable interest . The list of lodges inserted in the Magazine lately agrees with a copy that I have in MS . of tho same , which was kindly sent me by a zealous Mason in the north . — ' WILLIAM JAMES HUGHAN .
KNIGHTS HOSPITALLEES . In answer to inquiries of several years past respecting the "British Order of Knights Hospitallers , " Bro . Spencer has lately discovered in his warehouse a bundle , in sheets , of a small volume , entitled ' ' Hospitallaria ; or , a synopsis of the rise , exploits ,
privileges , insignia , & c , of the venerable ancl sovereign Order of Knights Hospitallers of St . John of Jerusalem ; with a brief account of the Sixth or British Branch , " They have been stowed away with other bundles of books in sheets for the last 20 years . He has had them done up in their original fancy ornamental covers , & c . This curious little work having lately been brought to light , please announce the fact in your notabilia to correspondents . —E . S .
Correspondence.
CORRESPONDENCE .
The Editor is not responsible for the opinions expressed by Correspondents
DECAPITATION OP KING CHAELES I .
TO THE EDIT 0 H OP THE KKEEJIASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC 3 II 1 U 10 I ! . Dear Sir ancl Brother , —Tour foreclosure of the correspondence as to Bro . Melville and his Masonic Discoveries can hardly apply to the last non-Masonie lucubration of Bro . Melville inserted in your pages . This is a very lame attempt of the learned brother
to make good his retreat after a most egregious chronological blunder ; and , as happens with the lame , he again stumbles and trips himself up . Those who like can further occupy themselves with Bro .
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Masonic Notes And Queries.
TABLE 0 E OLD SCOTTISH MONET . 2 pennies = 1 hodle = ? , d . sterling . 4 clo . = 1 plaelc = Jd . do . 6 do . = 1 bawbee = id . do . 12 clo . , = 1 shilling = Id . clo . 20 shillings = 1 pound = 20 d . clo . 13 shillings and 4 pennies = 1 merk = 13 J-d . clo . It therefore takes 12 pounds Scots to make one pound sterling . —TV . P . B .
GOTHIC AECHITECTHBE . —EIEST POINTED STTLE . When glancing over lately Mr . Charles TVickes ' work on "Sp ires and Towers , " 1853 , the following remarks caught my eye , which I quote , viz ., — "To England belongs the honour of its ( Early English , or Pirst Pointed Style ) first invention and full
development , and to England must the foreign architect repair who would study to advantage the charming details of this earliest specimen of Gothic art . In Normandy , indeed , doubtless from the close political connection between the two countries , examples occur which do not differ materially fromand in many
, respects are perfectly identical with , the buildings of our own land . But in other countries the Geometrical Decorated , which is nest to engage our attention , succeeded , without any intermediate link , to the Eomanesque . " —TV . P . BUCHAN .
EEEEHASONEY 152 XEAES OLD . If there be any reliable documentary evidence of the existence of Preemasonry previous to what is designated , the revival of A . D . 1717 , I should much like to know of it ? If there be no such reliable evidence extant , I would be inclined to infer that Preemasonry is not more than 152 years old . Purther , England is the Mother * of Freemasonry . —TV . P . BUCHAN .
THE EOSE CEOIX TEACING-EOABD , & C . ( p . 4 ante ) . The defect in this sketch , to which " Pictus " has kindly called attention at page 46 , arises either from my having incorrectly copied my original draft , or from a misapprehension on the part of the engraver . The suggestion of " Pictus " in regard to the Doric
Column is perfectly correct . If the Pose Croix can be traced to its constitution as a Christian Degree a most important point will be gained ; I am as anxious for information on tbe subject as J . W . M ., to whose query ( p . 30 ) I may reply that great similarity exists between the English and
foreign modes of working this degree - , the landmarks being , in nearly all cases identical . The errors ix the Latin sentences— -to which attention has been called by a ' * Constant Eeader " ( p . 31 ) —have arisen from a misprint . It would necessarily be Natura Renovatur & c . Novenitur has also usurped
, the place of Invenitur . —DNALXO . J . A . H . AND OUE EOYAL PAST _ G . M . J . A . H . has much relieved my mind , hut I do not find in Grand Lodge meetings any evidence that H . E . H . the Prince of "Wales has had the rank of a
Masonic Notes And Queries.
Past Grand Master conferred upon him as yet , nor do I feel certain that he "is to have " it . It is to be trusted that such a ] iroposition of J . A . H ., or any one else , will never be carried out by the members of Grand Lodge , but that H . E . H . will be brought into our ranks in a legitimate way as G . M . or as GEAND PATEON . —A NEW MEMBEE .
" NOTA" AND " LIST OE LODGES , 1765 . " It was not correct" that , up to 1765 , all the English lodges have public-house designations , and the foreign lodges alone have symbolic titles , " although "Nota ' ' says so . In proof of which I would refer " Nota " to No . 55 held in a " private room at Bolton ; " also
, No . 176 , Bedruth ; No . 274 , at Appledore ; No . 289 , at Workington ; No . 302 , at Stubbington ; No . 305 , at Burnley ; No . 306 , at Spitafields ; No . 321 , at Snowsfields , and several other lodges held at" coffeehouses . " A century ago the movement had commenced to leave the public-housesand thanks beat
, , the present time , the majority of the chief lodges in England either meet in their own halls or in private rooms . In a list of lodges that I have ( published A . D . 1767 , by E . Trewman , Exeter ) , there are several more mentioned that do not accept public-house designations ; ancl in lists of lodges in my possession
some 30 years earlier , there are also several that meet in private rooms . I should have no objections to their being printed any time in the Freemasons Magazine , as such rolls of lodges are of considerable interest . The list of lodges inserted in the Magazine lately agrees with a copy that I have in MS . of tho same , which was kindly sent me by a zealous Mason in the north . — ' WILLIAM JAMES HUGHAN .
KNIGHTS HOSPITALLEES . In answer to inquiries of several years past respecting the "British Order of Knights Hospitallers , " Bro . Spencer has lately discovered in his warehouse a bundle , in sheets , of a small volume , entitled ' ' Hospitallaria ; or , a synopsis of the rise , exploits ,
privileges , insignia , & c , of the venerable ancl sovereign Order of Knights Hospitallers of St . John of Jerusalem ; with a brief account of the Sixth or British Branch , " They have been stowed away with other bundles of books in sheets for the last 20 years . He has had them done up in their original fancy ornamental covers , & c . This curious little work having lately been brought to light , please announce the fact in your notabilia to correspondents . —E . S .
Correspondence.
CORRESPONDENCE .
The Editor is not responsible for the opinions expressed by Correspondents
DECAPITATION OP KING CHAELES I .
TO THE EDIT 0 H OP THE KKEEJIASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC 3 II 1 U 10 I ! . Dear Sir ancl Brother , —Tour foreclosure of the correspondence as to Bro . Melville and his Masonic Discoveries can hardly apply to the last non-Masonie lucubration of Bro . Melville inserted in your pages . This is a very lame attempt of the learned brother
to make good his retreat after a most egregious chronological blunder ; and , as happens with the lame , he again stumbles and trips himself up . Those who like can further occupy themselves with Bro .